Obama, Ayers and Rashid Khalidi

[jakee 1,254]

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I know that. You know that. The OP seems reluctant to answer for some reason...

Do you have a job? I do.

And yet you found the time to write several replies to other people after I posed that question to you. Huh.

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Khalidi is a Board of Trustees member of the non-governmental organization MIFTAH http://www.miftah.org/

So he'd like to see an independant Palestinian state. Does that make him a big bad man? Does the fact that Obama has spoken to Prof Khalidi mean that Obama agrees with everything he thinks?

Now, where did that quoted article come from? What is the agenda of the person who wrote it? it's big on allegations and hearsay, a little light on sourced facts. It says he was (apparently) critical of one non-partisan organisation - I've already pointed out to you that he serves on the board of several other non-partisan organisations.

How can you tell from anything that has been posted here that Prof khalidi is a Jew hating radical? Is anyone who supports an independant Palestine a Jew hating radical?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[airdvr 197]

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And yet you found the time to write several replies to other people after I posed that question to you. Huh.

Monitoring my behaviour now? I thought you were against that type of thing.

As far as Khalidi and his associations are concerned, you have your opinion and I have mine. I won't convince you and you're not going to convince me.

Please don't dent the planet.

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I agree, it is suspicious that they haven't released the tape and only months later are claiming they're not doing it because of an agreement with the source.

Did anyone ask before now?

I have no idea. Do you?

[speuci 0]

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The Los Angeles Times has a video tape of a 2003 farewell party for Rashid Khalidi, a university professor who was a spokesman for the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat but they won’t let us see it. Why? What don’t they want us to see?

Seriously? The tape was (per the LAT) provided on condition of anonymity. Its probably not what's on the tape, rather, the identity of the person who videotaped it that the anonymity condition is protecting.

Wow, three UOC professors with differing political views associating! The Horror! Damn them all!

Only a weak mind would be persuaded by this crap.

[jakee 1,254]

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Monitoring my behaviour now?

Uh, no dude, I just kept track of this thread

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As far as Khalidi and his associations are concerned, you have your opinion and I have mine.

Which you seem unable to defend against any rational inquiry. Are you not even going to tell me where that quote came from? Do you even know who wrote it?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[airdvr 197]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1347

Please don't dent the planet.

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[jakee 1,254]

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http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1347

Excuse me if I laugh at you now.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[airdvr 197]

Excuse you.

So you're saying it's not true?

Please don't dent the planet.

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[speuci 0]

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http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1347

I'll give you a task. Dig up an article detailing which professors at either UOC or Columbia AFFIRMATIVELY refuse to associate with the man.

Universities bring in controversial professors all the time, because diversity of opinion sets a foundation for debate and argument progression. Even in the face of controversy (such as Rumsfeld going to Hoover at Stanford) it is not uncommon to see faculty dinners, parties, etc among colleagues with vary ideologies.

Using associations from contemporaneous University employment for political gain is deceptive, trite and feeble.

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The Bush family had extensive ties to the Bin Ladin family. Ken Lay sat on a Cheney led advisory commission on energy. Calling Bush a crook or terrorist based on these connections is as absurd as the Obama, Ayers, Rezco guilt by association drivel being thrown out now. Every person on these forums has had connections to people who are less than palatable to a political career. These are distractions which keep us from voting not on the medal of ideas, but the knee jerk reaction of possibilities.

[airdvr 197]

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Using associations from contemporaneous University employment for political gain is deceptive, trite and feeble.

It's a lot more than associations from contemporaneous University employment.

Sorry...I don't accept your "task". See, that's just the kind of elitist BS that many of us see from your crowd. I'd like to give you a task but I'd be banned.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[jakee 1,254]

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Excuse you.

So you're saying it's not true?

What's not true? Maybe "News reports -- including a 1982 dispatch from Thomas Friedman of the New York Times -- suggest that he once served as Director of the Palestinian press agency, Wikalat al-Anba al-Filastinija. Khalidi's wife, Mona, was reportedly the agency's main English-language editor between 1976 and 1982." Is it true that "reports suggested" it? Probably is. Were those reports accurate? Absolutely no evidence of that is presented.

Is it true that he blasted WINEP on Al Jazeera? Probably is. Is it true that he himself serves on several similar non-partisan committees? Certainly is.

Is it true that Discoverthenetworks is an extremely right wing website that exists for the sole purpose of implying connections between left leaning politicians and people it considers terrorists, socialists or anti-Israel? Yep. It's called 'spin'.

And you still haven't told us why the fact that Obama knows an academic who happens to be pro-paletinian has any bearing on Obama's own politics (beyond the fact that he is capable of being civil with people who don't share his every belief).

Have you never been friends with someone who didn't share your every stance on foreign policy?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[airdvr 197]

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These are distractions which keep us from voting not on the medal of ideas, but the knee jerk reaction of possibilities.

I'd like to vote on the medal of ideas. Problem is there's no track record for Barry. I agree he has some great ideas, and some that I think stink. But moreover I think he's a radical in sheep's clothing. I don't trust him, not because I know he has a record of public service, but it's his record of people he has surrounded himself with that is cause for concern for me. And alot of others too.

Did all the right leaning people get banned but me?

Please don't dent the planet.

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I'd like to vote on the medal of ideas. Problem is there's no track record for Barry.

Ahhh, now to a valid point albeit one not relevant to this thread. Consider this though, Obama has run one powerful, well organized, well managed campaign against McCain, who has been campaigning his entire life.

All the experience in the world means nothing if you can't execute.

BTW, I'm a libertarian and a federalist who started in McCain's corner. I'm still not a liberal, but Obama has my vote.

[airdvr 197]

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And you still haven't told us why the fact that Obama knows an academic who happens to be pro-paletinian has any bearing on Obama's own politics (beyond the fact that he is capable of being civil with people who don't share his every belief).

I have a problem with the lack of a concise record from the man. 2 years in the Senate...no major bills...voted against funding the troops even when Biden urged him to. I don't have enough solid information about what he really stands for. He limped into the nomination. At this point I'd prefer Hillary because at least I know who she is and what she stands for. I get eloquent speeches from Barry that have no substance. So I based my decision from the people he surrounded himself with. And from that I got my answer.

I know you see it differently.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[airdvr 197]

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Consider this though, Obama has run one powerful, well organized, well managed campaign against McCain, who has been campaigning his entire life.

Consider this. Barry said he would abide by the funding guidelines and then backpedalled at the last minute. Given enough money, you and I could run an awsome campaign by simply hiring the right people.

Please don't dent the planet.

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Consider this though, Obama has run one powerful, well organized, well managed campaign against McCain, who has been campaigning his entire life.

Consider this. Barry said he would abide by the funding guidelines and then backpedalled at the last minute. Given enough money, you and I could run an awsome campaign by simply hiring the right people.

Yeah, that's a tad shiesty, but would you have made a different decision? I would have done the same were I him. He probably thought at the time that money was going to be the only way to win.

Money aside, his campaign is powerful because of its unprecedented use of volunteers, technology, and promotion. His war chest is still huge, so even though he outspends McCain significantly, I don't think the structure (with maybe the exception of the infomercial) would have eroded with public finance.

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Who Uses Public Financing?


According to FEC spokesman Bob Biersack, "Every major party nominee since 1976 has accepted public financing." But when a candidate can raise as much as $55 million in one month from private donations in a primary season, like Sen. Barack Obama did in February, and when there are estimates that the 2008 general election could cost as much as $500 million per nominee – or $1 billion overall – a grant of $84.1 million in public financing may not look so attractive.


The 2008 presidential candidates are in the midst of confronting this issue. In late February, Sen. John McCain accused Sen. Obama of hinting in a USA Today op-ed that he would renege on his pledge to accept public financing in the general election. In the op-ed, Obama wrote that if he was tapped to be the Democratic nominee he would push for an "agreement in good faith that results in real spending limits." Presumably, the "real spending limits" Obama mentioned would be different from the $84.1 million the FEC is offering. Meanwhile, Clinton, unlike Obama, has not pledged to use public financing in the general election.

But Obama isn't alone when it comes to campaign finance conundrums. Also in February, McCain requested to withdraw from the primary election public matching funds system. But the FEC responded that, without a quorum (four of the six FEC seats are vacant), it could not issue a formal decision. The FEC's chairman also had questions about the McCain campaign's promise, as a condition of receiving a bank loan, to reapply for future matching funds and use that money as collateral against the loan under certain circumstances.


McCain's situation was further complicated when, as The Washington Post reported, he exceeded the $54 million spending limit for candidates who participate in the matching funds program. McCain's campaign and his lawyers insist he formally withdrew from the matching funds program and is no longer subject to its spending limits. However, the FEC, lacking a quorum, has not been able to make a final decision on McCain's status and whether or not he violated campaign finance rules.


- Emi Kolawole



Sources
Public Financing of Federal Elections. Feb. 2008. U.S. Federal Election Commission. 18 Mar. 2008.

Presidential Spending Limits for 2008. Feb. 2008. U.S. Federal Election Commission. 18 Mar. 2008.

Congressional Research Service. Public Financing of Congressional Elections: Background and Analysis. Washington: GPO, 2007.

[kallend 1,620]

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Consider this though, Obama has run one powerful, well organized, well managed campaign against McCain, who has been campaigning his entire life.

Consider this. Barry said he would abide by the funding guidelines and then backpedalled at the last minute. Given enough money, you and I could run an awsome campaign by simply hiring the right people.

I'd like to see you persuade 2 million people to send you money. You can't even persuade your fellow skydivers that you're correct.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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I'd like to see you persuade 2 million people to send you money. You can't even persuade your fellow skydivers that you're correct.

Exactly. I have never donated to a campaign before until now. I give what I can when I can. Small donations under $200. My mother does the same.

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I'd like to see you persuade 2 million people to send you money. You can't even persuade your fellow skydivers that you're correct.

It's pretty common knowledge that you can divide any number by 200. Funny how that works. Do you really think that 300 million people gave him $200 each?

Oh, hello again!

[airdvr 197]

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Consider this though, Obama has run one powerful, well organized, well managed campaign against McCain, who has been campaigning his entire life.

Consider this. Barry said he would abide by the funding guidelines and then backpedalled at the last minute. Given enough money, you and I could run an awsome campaign by simply hiring the right people.

I'd like to see you persuade 2 million people to send you money. You can't even persuade your fellow skydivers that you're correct.

I'm satisifed in knowing that I'm correct always, aren't you?

Please don't dent the planet.

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yeah that's right! McCain is going to lose because of money! If only Obama didn't have such rich terrorist friends!

[jakee 1,254]

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It's pretty common knowledge that you can divide any number by 200. Funny how that works. Do you really think that 300 million people gave him $200 each?

I didn't realise Obama's campaign had raised sixty billion dollars. Now that's impressive!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 1,620]

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I'd like to see you persuade 2 million people to send you money. You can't even persuade your fellow skydivers that you're correct.

It's pretty common knowledge that you can divide any number by 200. Funny how that works. Do you really think that 300 million people gave him $200 each?

Having trouble with math today?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.