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Looks like McCain has been trying to hide his past - but his past has caught up with him. What else is he hiding? Why won't he be honest with the people of the United States? Are there other terror groups he's helping supply arms to? How can anyone vote for a candidate who lies about his support of terror and anti-Semite groups?

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McCain didn’t report ties to Contra group
By KENNETH P. VOGEL | 10/9/08 5:27 PM EDT

As a freshman congressman in the early 1980s, John McCain did not disclose his connections to a controversial group that was implicated in a secretive plot to supply arms to Nicaraguan militia groups during the Iran-Contra affair.

McCain did not list his service on the board of the U.S. Council for World Freedom on mandatory congressional disclosure forms asking about positions he held outside government.

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McCain joined the board of the U.S. Council soon after Singlaub founded it in McCain’s adopted hometown of Phoenix in November 1981 as the U.S. branch of the World Anti-Communist League. The league billed itself as a supporter of “pro-Democratic resistance movements fighting communist totalitarianism,” but it had also been branded by critics as a haven for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.

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1981...what a great year...Reagan was in office...hard to believe it was 27 years ago.

I can understand why Socialists would be upset at anyone's membership in an organization whose purpose was to stop communism. Small wonder it's got liberal thongs in a bunch.

I'm unfamiliar with this organization and can't comment, but with regard to a 'haven for extremists, racists and anti-Semites' if you'll look at Farrakhan's group - you've got such a beast. $harpton's group as well.

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>I'm unfamiliar with this organization and can't comment . . .

Exactly! Everyone is unfamiliar with it. Why has he kept it hidden? Shouldn't we know the facts about a candidate (and his associations) before we vote for them? McCain is a huge unknown!

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Suuuuuure he is. Not to CAGW...or the majority of the country. It's not like he votes 'present' most of the time he shows up to vote...or won't state what he supports...or won't buck his party...or has the most conservative record in the Senate.

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1981...what a great year...Reagan was in office...hard to believe it was 27 years ago.

I can understand why Socialists would be upset at anyone's membership in an organization whose purpose was to stop communism. Small wonder it's got liberal thongs in a bunch.

I'm unfamiliar with this organization and can't comment, but with regard to a 'haven for extremists, racists and anti-Semites' if you'll look at Farrakhan's group - you've got such a beast. $harpton's group as well.

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Vinnie, we are friends, and so I believe we may agree to disagree on political issues....so let the games begin:

Here is a little background on General Singlaub and his stellar organizations. While I agree that way back when times were different, yet you will agree that we are a nation have to be specially careful about who our representative associate themselves with. So here about Mr. Singlaubs friends:

Singlaub joined forces with Ted Shackley, Ray S. Cline and Richard Helms to get Jimmy Carter removed from the White House. In December, 1979, Singlaub and retired General Daniel Graham headed a delegation from the American Security Council, a private right-wing organization, on a trip to Guatemala. Singlaub pointed out that Ronald Reagan "recognizes that a good deal of dirty work has to be done" in order to destroy communism in Guatemala. "death squad activity in Guatemala increased dramatically following the trip." Upon his return to the United States Singlaub called for "sympathetic understanding of the death squads" (The Iran Contra Connection: Secret Teams and Covert Operations in the Reagan Era).

Singlaub returned to Guatemala in 1980. This time he went with General Gordon Sumner of the Council for inter-American Security. Singlaub again took a message from Ronald Reagan who was now campaigning for the Presidency of the United States. Singlaub told his audiences that "help was on the way in the form of Ronald Reagan".

Singlaub now became involved in extreme right-wing politics. He joined the World Anti-Communist League (WACL). Established in 1966 by the intelligence organizations of Taiwan and South Korea to provide anti-communist propaganda. Fascists played an important role in the WACL and at least three European chapters of the organization were controlled by former SS officers from Nazi Germany. By 1980 the WACL agreed that "Argentine counterterror and torture specialist would be dispatched to El Salvador to assist in the anti-communist struggle there". (Inside the League)

With a $20,000 loan from Taiwan, Singlaub created the U.S. Council for World Freedom (USCWF) in 1981. Singlaub was an advocate of unconventional warfare, which he defined as "low intensity actions, such as sabotage, terrorism, assassination and guerrilla warfare". Singlaub made clear that the USCWF would provide "support and assistance to the democratic, anti-communist Freedom Fighters of the world."
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That would be the same Singlaub that said McCain was not an actice member of the group? The same Singlaub that said "I don't recall talking to McCain at all on the work of the group"?

As opposed to Obama working on the board of the Annenburg Challenge with Ayers, working on the Wood Fund with Ayers, and having his political "coming out" party hosted by Ayers?

The same Ayers that co-founded the Weather Underground and proudly admitted himself a communist and terrorist?

So, seeing the association between Obama and Ayers, Obama and Wright, Obama and Pfleger, etc etc etc... I suppose you'll be voting for the lesser of two evils, i.e. McCain?
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Let's just analyze this a second...from the article in Rolling Stone:

"I enjoyed the off-duty life of a Navy flier more than I enjoyed the actual flying," McCain writes. "I drove a Corvette, dated a lot, spent all my free hours at bars and beach parties." McCain chased a lot of tail. He hit the dog track. Developed a taste for poker and dice. He picked up models when he could, screwed a stripper when he couldn't.

I'm certain no one here can relate to anything like that :S

In the years to come, McCain would continue to fight the war his father had lost. In his meetings with Nixon, Junior was known for chomping on an unlit cigar, complaining about the "goddamn gooks" and pushing to bomb enemy sanctuaries in Cambodia. His son was equally gung-ho. "John has always been a very bellicose hawk," says John H. Johns, a retired brigadier general who studied with McCain at the War College. "When he came back from Vietnam, he accused the liberal media of undermining national will, that we could have won in Vietnam if we had the national will."

News flash. Why did we lose a war in which we never lost a battle?

The divorce was finalized on April 2nd, 1980. McCain's second marriage — rung in at the Arizona Biltmore with Gary Hart as a groomsman — was consummated only six weeks later, on May 17th. The union gave McCain access to great wealth: Cindy, whose father was the exclusive distributor for Budweiser in the Phoenix area, is now worth an estimated $100 million.

Hmmm...a marriage that's lasted 28 years. How terrible.

My point? Obviously an objective article.;)

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"Wood fund", "Annenberg Challenge"

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Why am I not surprised that Republicans find it so objectionable for anyone to work to improve inner city schools. Fits right in with their philosophy.

When will they drum Annenberg out of the GOP?

www.opednews.com/articles/Friends-with-Reagan-Pals-by-Bruce-Allen-Morris-081009-117.html
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I am so sorry, but McCain is not an evil - he is a 72 year old self centered brat who is still in intellectual puberty.

One can like and dislike candidates. I never liked the personality of neither Clinton, and to George W. Bush they were the lesser evil. What amazes me with McCain is that he is opposing a bona fide strong and good candidate. And yet the RNC is able to convinve hard core GOP supporters that he is some kind of next coming of Geezus, ans that Parah Salin is a star... .

I mean the broad is in simple terms dumber that a bag of hammers. The McCain/Palin tickes scares me with their lack of maturity, their very limited intellectual capabilities and their genuine lack of political refinement. We as a nation need that refinement, because in the international arena we are facing very sharp and unfriendly opponents.

Internally we are facing a financial holocaust of epic proportions and neither McCain nor Parah salin have the ability to grasp anything larger in economy that running a gas station. They have neither the training, the aptitude nor the intellectual curiosity. They would be a total disaster, as they wouldbe (and currently are) totally at the mercy of "advisors".

What amazes me is that so many people let their emotions reign over their intellect and actually suppost the McCain/Parah Salin pair of overgrown pre-schoolers in Prada skirts.
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I mean the broad is in simple terms dumber that a bag of hammers.

their very limited intellectual capabilities and their genuine lack of political refinement.

ability to grasp anything larger in economy that running a gas station.

nor the intellectual curiosity.

They would be a total disaster, as they wouldbe (and currently are) totally at the mercy of "advisors".

over their intellect and actually suppost the McCain/Parah Salin pair of overgrown pre-schoolers in Prada skirts.



Wow! Amazing! Two completely stupid people huh?;)

I doubt many here would make statements like these regardless of which wing of the airplane they sit on.
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"Wood fund", "Annenberg Challenge"

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Why am I not surprised that Republicans find it so objectionable for anyone to work to improve inner city schools. Fits right in with their philosophy.



Looks like it was only the politically-correct inner-city schools...

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The CAC files show the organization funneled money to activist organizations and did so on ideological grounds, favoring applications that focused on ethnic identity and bilingual education and turning down grant proposals which did not. Thus, CAC funded a Juneteenth effort by the South Shore African Village Collaboration and a peace school but rejected proposals by the Chicago Algebra Project aimed at increasing student achievement and the District 5 Math Science Initiative which was trying to increase the math and science competence of Hispanic youngsters.



Whups.

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When will they drum Annenberg out of the GOP?



Annenburg funded it, Ayers (and Obama) ran it.
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As opposed to Obama working on the board of the Annenburg Challenge with Ayers,




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As opposed to Obama working on the board of the Annenburg Challenge with Ayers



I'm not sure what the problem is. Anyone got a problem with the Annenberg Challenge's goals? Let's do a quick wiki.

"The Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) was a Chicago public school reform project from 1995 to 2001 that worked with half of Chicago's public schools and was funded by a $49.2 million, 2-to-1 matching challenge grant over five years from the Annenberg Foundation. The grant was contingent on being matched by $49.2 million in private donations and $49.2 million in public money.[1] The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was one of 18 locally designed Annenberg Challenge project sites that received $387 million over five years as part of Walter Annenberg's gift of $500 million over five years to support public school reform. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge helped create a successor organization, the Chicago Public Education Fund (CPEF), committing $2 million in June 1998 as the first donor to Chicago's first community foundation for education."

(yada yada yada)


"Beginnings

The three co-authors of Chicago's winning Annenberg Challenge $49.2 million grant proposal were:[18][19]

1. William Ayers, associate professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago; co-director of the Small Schools Workshop; co-director of the Chicago Forum for School Change—an affiliate of the Coalition of Essential Schools;[20] chairman of the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools (ABCs) coalition;[21][22] former Chicago assistant deputy mayor for education (1989–1990);[22] brother of John Ayers, executive director (1994–2004) of Leadership for Quality Education (an affiliate of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago) and former associate director (1987–1994) of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago......"


Looks to me that if association with Ayers is a disqualification for POTUS then that pretty much rules out anyone associated with education or business in Illinois.

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Blaming death squad activity on Reagan before 1980? And he was sworn in in Jan 81? Dear God. No fucking way am I buying it and nor should you.

Telling anti-communist forces that Reagan would be an ally for them is an absolutely true statement. Why would this surprise you or anyone else?

Fascists being part of an anti-communist organization shouldn't surprise you either. The two types of government are diametrically opposed. 1966 - 1945 = 21 years. I don't think all members of Germany's defeated WW II military should have been executed, nor do I believe all of them were intrinsically evil, though many were and did evil deeds. Former SS members undoubtedly did good and evil things between the end of the war and their death. Contributing to anti-communist movements and even leading them should probably be amongst the good ones, though I'm sure socialists would disagree. Having a three digit IQ, if you want me to believe any organization with members of Germany's WW II military machine 21 years after the war's end are indeed intrinsically evil, you're going to have to do much better than what you've presented here. A LOT better.

Furthermore, what were the communists doing down there? All but exterminating the Mosquito indians if memory serves, amongst other heinous things. Death squads were not unleashed in paradise against innocent angels. The Cold War had a lot of collateral damage that was repulsive and sad - losing it would have been a disaster for the world (cry away, socialists; that's a fact of life).

I detest communism and with benefit of hindsight, know what evil the Soviets unleashed upon the world and their own people. I've no issue with those who opposed it 20 years ago merely for their cause. So far you've shown nothing substantive, though I can see why such things would rile up those seeking Obama's election, given the intellectual make up of that group.

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A certain degree of poliyical astuteness doed not mean that you are smart. How would you rate the intellect of the McCain/Parahsalin ticket?



You've already made your feelings quite clear. I may not like Barry/Joe but I've never attacked their intelligence.

Since I don't know who you are your point of reference on intelligence is questionable. There are several here whose viewpoints with respect to the level of someone's intelligence would have merit. I don't count you as one of them.
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given the intellectual make up of that group.



which is what?

I know my husband has a somewhat interesting way to try and get a point across and many don't pick up on his sense of humor or his sarcasm. ( not that's what he was doing in the post you are referencing, however....) but I'm curious as to what you meant by that statement.

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>I'm unfamiliar with this organization and can't comment . . .

Exactly! Everyone is unfamiliar with it. Why has he kept it hidden? Shouldn't we know the facts about a candidate (and his associations) before we vote for them? McCain is a huge unknown!



The U.S. Council for World Freedom was founded by General John K. Singlaub (ret), a highly decorated OSS officer, veteran and was a founding member of the CIA, and pretty much an unimpeachable hero. The USCWF is a "US affiliate" of the World Anti-communist League.

Some in the press have tried to compare this to Sen. Obama's association with Ayers.

If I were on Sen. McCain's staff, I'd embrace the relationship, and leave the speculators no room. I for one, wish I knew more men like Gen. Singlaub.
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Vinnie, we agree in most issues with regards to the Regan era and that is the gist of things. What I am trying to poit to is the fact that one should not call the kettle black when one has a lot of tarnish oneself - in other words don't call Obama a terrorist when you have a few skelletons in the closet yourself mr. McCain.

You and I look at life from diferent perspectives, but weahter you do it from the left or the right, the middle is where it is. I do have to say that I am a little astonished that a man of your undoubted intellectual capability supports a ticket with the Palin woman as VP. I mean does she make you proud of the RNC? Do you really hink she is smart...somehow?
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>I'm unfamiliar with this organization and can't comment . . .

Exactly! Everyone is unfamiliar with it. Why has he kept it hidden? Shouldn't we know the facts about a candidate (and his associations) before we vote for them? McCain is a huge unknown!



The U.S. Council for World Freedom was founded by General John K. Singlaub (ret), a highly decorated OSS officer, veteran and was a founding member of the CIA, and pretty much an unimpeachable hero. The USCWF is a "US affiliate" of the World Anti-communist League.

Some in the press have tried to compare this to Sen. Obama's association with Ayers.

If I were on Sen. McCain's staff, I'd embrace the relationship, and leave the speculators no room. I for one, wish I knew more men like Gen. Singlaub.



As mentioned in another thread Gen. Singlaub is a terrorist, Nazi lover and child mollester.
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I mean does she make you proud of the RNC? Do you really hink she is smart...somehow?



She is awesome. She shoots an M4 and man is she hot, and thats why i am voting for her.

Would love to hit that:P
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