Thermate, WTC collapses

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He is backed by these tin hatted morons

I respond to your internet source with an internet source:

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4833761&postcount=273

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True, both WTC 1 & 2 , North & South structures were impacted by commercial "757's" killing innocent passengers, crew & hijackers along with occupants in the building floors at point of impact.

You listen to this ass clown? He doesn't even know what type of aircraft hit the fucking buildings! Massive difference between the 757 and the 767.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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He is backed by these tin hatted morons

I respond to your internet source with an internet source:

http://forums.randi.org/...61&postcount=273

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29 people who can't figure out 911 so they make up lies and spread their own delusions based on their moronic opinions, hearsay, and stupidity.

I will try to give these "experts" another chance and read the handout from the OP. Oops...

William W. Acri - he used explosives on roads he has no clue about the failure mode of the WTC Towers and has not offered any calculations. I wonder if he read the thousands of pages of the NIST report. No truther can answer this question because they accept these lies from these people who have zero qualifications on studding a high-rise collapse.

Antonio Arthay - building design, zero capabilities in structural engineering since he supports the lies of controlled demolition without evidence.

Anders Björkman - works with ships - not qualified to make any statements on the WTC and he has proved it.

Jim Bomford - no information on what he did with his civil engineering degree. Maybe he changed light bulbs at the local high school, or calculated road grading. But zero experience in high rise buildings was offered.

Claude Robert Briscoe - he does roads. Why does a road civil engineer make up lies about the WTC?

Ronald H. Brookman - no experience in high-rise building like the WTC. Why does he make up lies about 911?...

Your mate 'beachnut' has what qulifications to be rendering the hundreds of years of experience and educational experience of these industry professionals to a mare, 'What do they know'.

What a joke.

We will see what happens. But you should realise that a high percentage of those petition signers have great knowledge of the laws of physics. And they will have for the most part have read the NIST report in its entirety.

You friend 'beachnut' has what qualifications again?

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Your mate 'beachnut'

My mate? I didnt post that.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Your mate 'beachnut'


My mate? I didnt post that.

was a typo mistake, i corrected it now!

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You listen to this ass clown? He doesn't even know what type of aircraft hit the fucking buildings! Massive difference between the 757 and the 767.

Yep that mistake or typo that one guy made, renders all the evidence and opinions of all the engineers and architects absolutely usless.

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You friend 'beachnut' has what qualifications again?

Pilot and Electrical Engineer. Essentially, he's as qualified as most of the people on that list.

But you're right, these guys understand physics. #2 guy on the list (Alexander R. Thorpe): "Physics was my favorite subject in high school" - see, he even says it himself! He's obviously lived for this moment and just does land surveying on the side.

I AM a mechanical engineer in the design of building systems and have equal experience to many people on this list. I (and they) have few qualifications in regards to analyzing high-rise building collapses.

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Pilot and Electrical Engineer. Essentially, he's as qualified as most of the people on that list.

But you're right, these guys understand physics. #2 guy on the list (Alexander R. Thorpe): "Physics was my favorite subject in high school" - see, he even says it himself! He's obviously lived for this moment and just does land surveying on the side.

I AM a mechanical engineer in the design of building systems and have equal experience to many people on this list. I (and they) have few qualifications in regards to analyzing high-rise building collapses.

O.k. then, so if you study the blueprints of the buildings, watch how they collapsed and read the NIST report in its entirelty, focusing on the initiation of the collapses and how the momentum began excellerated and continued, (whilst understanding how the buildings were constucted). you shoul understand that ir should never have happened that way, and if it did the desin and construction team of the buildongs should be held accountable. for the deaths of all the post impact civilians and emergengy personell.


Pretty simple stuff really, but when you cloud it with the emotion, phycology and implications that are involved, you can be swayed into thinking the impossible is in fact possible because the other option is too grim to fathom!

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if it did the desin and construction team of the buildongs should be held accountable. for the deaths of all the post impact civilians and emergengy personell.

Because the building was supposed to stand up against the total failure of a floor with the weight of many floors above it.

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you can be swayed into thinking the impossible is in fact possible because the other option is too grim to fathom!

I think you're trying to regurgitate the phrase that "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". Do you know who you're quoting? Frickin' Conan Doyle, the fiction writer famous for his Sherlock Holmes series.

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[billvon 2,396]

>you shoul understand that ir should never have happened that way . . .

If you do the math you will realize that the loads experienced when just one single floor collapsed were far in excess what any modern structural design could have withstood.

>Pretty simple stuff really . . .

That it is. But many people don't understand even basic physics.

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Because the building was supposed to stand up against the total failure of a floor with the weight of many floors above it.

This is a great example of where the story does not compute;

The failure of 'a' floor or 3 is the most likely, if any from the fires, with the assistance of the initial damage.

The complete destruction of the entire structure in about 10 seconds (very near freefall speed) that is bulit to flex in hurricanes, sway in earth quakes and sustain multipule impacts from very large aircraft, is not.

look at the blue prints of the core and the pictures of them building it and ask how these huge cores imploded simultainiously due to a fire of jet fuel?

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Official Reports Misrepresented the Towers' Construction
Portion of photograph in the collection of the Skyscraper Museum

The detailed architectural drawings make clear what official reports have apparently attempted to hide: that the Twin Towers had massive core columns, and those columns ran most of the height of each Tower before transitioning to columns with smaller cross-sections.

Based on construction photographs exhibited in the Skyscraper Museum and illustrations from the Engineering News Record , 9-11 Research had established by mid-2005 that, low in the Towers, the sixteen core columns that bounded the long faces of the buildings' cores had dimensions of 54 by 22 inches. The detailed drawings show that these columns maintained these dimensions through about the 66th floor.

Both of the government-sponsored engineering studies of the Twin Towers' "collapses" -- FEMA's and NIST's -- are highly misleading about the core structures. Neither FEMA's Study nor NIST's Report discloses dimensions for core columns -- dimensions that are clearly evident in the architectural drawings. Both Reports use a variety of techniques seemingly designed to minimize the strength of the cores or to conceal their structural role entirely.

So effective was FEMA at concealing the nature of the cores that the 9/11 Commission Report , citing the FEMA Report, denied the very existence of the core columns.

Wow, what an assertion.

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[billvon 2,396]

>The complete destruction of the entire structure in about 10 seconds . . .

The first tower collapsed after an hour and forty-five minutes, not ten seconds.

The second tower collapsed after almost an hour, not ten seconds.

>that is bulit to flex in hurricanes, sway in earth quakes and sustain
>multipule impacts from very large aircraft, is not.

It was never designed to "sustain multiple impacts from very large aircraft." It was expected to be able to withstand the collision of a single smaller aircraft (a 707.)

>look at the blue prints of the core and the pictures of them building it and
>ask how these huge cores imploded simultainiously due to a fire of jet
>fuel?

1) Aircraft impacts at around 500mph, destroys most of the core structure and rips the fireproofing off most of the steel

2) Fire starts and burns until the remaining steel is weakened

3) A single floor collapses

4) The remaining structure cannot withstand the millions of tons of force that the collapsing floor imposes, and the collapse continues.

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>The complete destruction of the entire structure in about 10 seconds . . .

The first tower collapsed after an hour and forty-five minutes, not ten seconds.

The second tower collapsed after almost an hour, not ten seconds.

read this again Bill;

The failure of 'a' floor or 3 is the most likely, if any from the fires, with the assistance of the initial damage.

The complete destruction of the entire structure in about 10 seconds (very near freefall speed) that is bulit to flex in hurricanes, sway in earth quakes and sustain multipule impacts from very large aircraft, is not.

This summary includes the timeframe between the impact of the planes and the initiation of the collapse.

From initiation of any considerable structural failure resulting in a downward movement, to complete destruction actually only took around 10 seconds.

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It was never designed to "sustain multiple impacts from very large aircraft." It was expected to be able to withstand the collision of a single smaller aircraft (a 707.)

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Towers' Design Parameters Link
Twin Towers' Designers Anticipated Jet Impacts Like September 11th's

Structural engineers who designed the Twin Towers carried out studies in the mid-1960s to determine how the buildings would fare if hit by large jetliners. In all cases the studies concluded that the Towers would survive the impacts and fires caused by the jetliners.

Evidence of these studies includes interviews with and papers and press releases issued by engineers who designed and oversaw construction of the World Trade Center.
1960s-era Jetliners Compared to Boeing 767s

Contrary to widely promoted misconceptions, the Boeing 767-200s used on 9/11/01 were only slightly larger than 707s and DC 8s, the types of jetliners whose impacts the World Trade Center's designers anticipated.

This is the part that had me believe it was intended to withstand multipule impacts but it was actully belived so my mistake, but still a valid statement to consider.

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Frank Demartini's Statement

Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, spoke of the resilience of the towers in an interview recorded on January 25, 2001.
The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting.

Demartini, who had an office on the 88th floor of the North Tower, has been missing since the 9/11/01 attack, having remained in the North Tower to assist in the evacuation. 6 Demartini had first worked at World Trade Center when Leslie E. Robertson Associates hired him to assess damage from the truck bombing in 1993.

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The Richard Roth Telegram

On Feburary 13, 1965, real estate baron Lawrence Wien called reporters to his office to charge that the design of the Twin Towers was structurally unsound. Many suspected that his allegation was motivated by a desire to derail the planned World Trade Center skyscrapers to protect the value of his extensive holdings, which included the Empire State Building. In response to the charge, Richard Roth, partner at Emery Roth & Sons, the architectural firm that was designing the Twin Towers, fired back with a three-page telegram containing the following details. 5
THE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS CARRIED OUT BY THE FIRM OF WORTHINGTON, SKILLING, HELLE & JACKSON IS THE MOST COMPLETE AND DETAILED OF ANY EVER MADE FOR ANY BUILDING STRUCTURE. THE PRELIMINARY CALCULATIONS ALONE COVER 1,200 PAGES AND INVOLVE OVER 100 DETAILED DRAWINGS.
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4. BECAUSE OF ITS CONFIGURATION, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THAT OF A STEEL BEAM 209' DEEP, THE TOWERS ARE ACTUALLY FAR LESS DARING STRUCTURALLY THAN A CONVENTIONAL BUILDING SUCH AS THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING WHERE THE SPINE OR BRACED AREA OF THE BUILDING IS FAR SMALLER IN RELATION TO ITS HEIGHT.
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5. THE BUILDING AS DESIGNED IS SIXTEEN TIMES STIFFER THAN A CONVENTIONAL STRUCTURE. THE DESIGN CONCEPT IS SO SOUND THAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS BEEN ABLE TO BE ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE IN HIS DESIGN WITHOUT ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE ECONOMICS OF THE STRUCTURE. ...

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1) Aircraft impacts at around 500mph, destroys most of the core structure and rips the fireproofing off most of the steel

2) Fire starts and burns until the remaining steel is weakened

3) A single floor collapses

4) The remaining structure cannot withstand the millions of tons of force that the collapsing floor imposes, and the collapse continues.

A single floor is not millions of tonnes, are you saying it is certain that all the core structure collapsed simultaniously, on all 3 buildings due to random fire?

That is what would need to happen, all at precicely the same time!!!???

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The complete destruction of the entire structure

It wasn't a complete destruction. 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2 remained standing for up to 25 seconds before also falling. A planned demolition wouldn't just leave almost HALF of the building standing. So where does that leave you that it wasn't a very good demolition?

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A single floor is not millions of tonnes, are you saying it is certain that all the core structure collapsed simultaniously, on all 3 buildings due to random fire?

That is what would need to happen, all at precicely the same time!!!???

The floors ABOVE them falling is where the weight came from. Could you please explain what your understanding of the "core structure" is?

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>The failure of 'a' floor or 3 is the most likely, if any from the fires, with
>the assistance of the initial damage.

Ah, in that case I agree. And the failure of a single floor will generally rapidly lead to the destruction of the entire building. Buildings are not designed to withstand the loss of a floor, and the remaining structure is not designed to "soft-land" the structure above.

>I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of
>jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen
>door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing
>that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting.

Well, more like a frisbee, since an airplane is pretty wide (about 150 feet across.) So it would be more like a big frisbee hitting your screen door and going through it.

But in any case, then it passed through the "mosquito netting" (outer structure) and hit the core. The core is around 90 by 130 feet. The wingspan of the airplane is 150 feet. If the airplane made it all the way through the tower it would have collapsed instantly, since the core would have been cut all the way through.

Fortunately (for the people who managed to evacuate) that didn't happen; the building was many orders of magnitude stronger than the aircraft, and only parts of the aircraft made it through.

>A single floor is not millions of tonnes, are you saying it is certain that
> all the core structure collapsed simultaniously, on all 3 buildings due
>to random fire?

No. The collapses happened hours apart.

>That is what would need to happen, all at precicely the same
>time?

No. They did not collapse all at the same time. They collapsed when they were weakened to the point of failure by impact, fire and seismic loads.

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Billvon,

Its really no use debating truthers. You could give them cockpit video (if it had existed) of a muslim terrorist flying into the building and they wouldn't believe. Their need to feel important by "knowing more then the sheep" overrides all logic.

"Truthers" have been debunked by world leading scientists hundreds of times and yet they still quote crackpot fringe "scientists" just because they happen reach a conclusion the "truthers" like.

No matter what evidence to the contrary, they will ALWAYS rationalize it away because unlike scientists, they start out with the conclusion they want, then try and cherry pick facts that support it. They apparently either don't know, or don't care how the scientific process works.

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Why just a few months ago, a Marine fighter crashed into a home here in San Diego. In a bizarre coincidence, the home must have been filled with thermite, because it burst into flame and was destroyed.

Wow Bill, please tell-

was the house a health hazard filled with asbestos, costing billions to remove it all and ultimately it would have been much cheaper to demolish it rather than remove the asbestos?

was the house purchased (knowing the asbestos liability), then insure the house against "Radical Marine Fighter Pilot Crashes", thus resulting in a handsome profit for the new homeowner 3 months later when a "Radical Muslim Marine Fighter Pilot" actually did crash into the asbestos laden liability?

Did the house 3 doors down, bought at the same time, by the same guy, oddly collapse 8 hours later? due to too many sporadic and isolated fires?

Did the HMA (home management assn) building (coincidentally, one of the most CCTV'ed areas within the HMA) get attacked by a "Radical Muslim Marine Fighter Pilot" too?

Did oddly no real conclusive evidence exist of any "Fighter Plane" hitting the HMA building?

Is the only CCTV clip available of the "Radical Muslim Fighter Plane" into the HMA building, grainy and ultimately not even show a plane?

Does testimony exist which indicates the Vice President of the HMA basically ordering a stand down to our fighter pilot who could have stopped the attack on the HMA building?

Did the HMA ultimately invade and take over the "Radical Muslim HMA", based upon their obvious attack, (oops, I mean "crash")?

Did the HMA-EMA (the HMA Emergency Management Association) just so happen to be there the day prior to the "Marine Fighter Pilot Crash", to practice their response for just such a crash? That helped alot them being there already I'm sure!

Was the President of the HMA informed of the crash while reading a book with HMA school children, and did he immediately react like nothing had happened?

Did the HMA SIGNIFICANTLY change the HMA Constitution (oops, I mean HMA agreement) immediately after the "crash" to protect the members of the HMA from another "crash"?

If so, i s'pose your right- it musta been thermite- what a bizarre coincidence...

*edited to try to hopefully add significant levels of sarcasm & other items that seem relevant to make the point*

"sarcastic quotes suggested by kallend" Thanks!

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O.k. then, so if you study the blueprints of the buildings, watch how they collapsed and read the NIST report in its entirelty, focusing on the initiation of the collapses and how the momentum began excellerated and continued, (whilst understanding how the buildings were constucted).

Plenty of experts have - that's why they say there was NOT a controlled demolition.

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Pretty simple stuff really, but when you cloud it with the emotion, phycology and implications that are involved, you can be swayed into thinking the impossible is in fact possible because the other option is too grim to fathom!

Which is EXACTLY what the truthers are doing.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 2,396]

>was the house a health hazard filled with asbestos, costing billions to remove?

You know, I didn't think so. But then when someone at the funeral asked the homeowner, HE REFUSED TO TALK! Why would he refuse to talk about the asbestos issue unless he had something to hide?

And when a reporter checked out his house against the Superfund environmental remediation sites - it wasn't even listed! Who took it off the list? Why won't they talk about it?

And then - after the fire was put out - the debris was hauled away LESS THAN A MONTH LATER and buried in a landfill BEFORE IT WAS INSPECTED BY AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR! Why was it whisked away before a proper investigation could be completed? What did they not want people to find?

And that's not all. Pictures from the house show that it was completely destroyed. Why isn't there an airplane-sized hole in it? There weren't even any pieces of the airplane recovered!

The pilot claimed to have ejected and landed nearby. Then he called the base with his cellphone. His cellphone? He had a cellphone on him? How much of this are you really believing?

>Did the house 3 doors down, bought at the same time, by the same guy,
>collapse 8 hours later?

>Did the HMA blame the radical Muslims and invade them?

No, but they did blame the Navy in one news story - even though it was a MARINE fighter! Clearly they were fed an "official" story and got it wrong. Now no one will talk about the NAVY (not marine) missile that destroyed the house.

But if you really believe that the people pulling off this coverup (given that they can't even keep marine vs navy straight) well, just keep being one of the sheeple.

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Why would he refuse to talk about the asbestos issue unless he had something to hide?

Good question- no answer! Especially since it is a know fact that asbestos was an "issue" in the house!

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The pilot claimed to have ejected and landed nearby.

Oooooooh, okay.. Thanks for clearing THAT one up- I had heard they found his Fighter Pilot License on top of the rubble and that was how they figured him out!! Pristine condition too! Okay wait, it musta fell out of his pocket when he ejected! Yeah, that's it!!

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But if you really believe that the people pulling off this coverup ... well, just keep being one of the sheeple

To me the "sheeple" are those that sit in front of their TV glued to the results of Idol or Survivor, or runs out to buy the latest outfit they saw on some show or commercial, or get scared by the latest fear mongering the TV "news" is so known for. The sheeple allow the "TV Programming" to dictate how they think and act oftentimes, and don't realize it. They never question anything, and swallow practically everything that comes out of the TV as 'truth'.

The "sheeple" ignore or justify the numerous injustices occurring in the world at the hands of these governments and corporations or use the argument "they started it" or 'it is necessary' or 'it for our security' or whatever, even if they are all lies.

There is so much corruption in government and corporations overall, I believe it to be so much more extensive than we know about. Ultimately I think its just way too much for most folks to put their minds around. So much has surfaced regarding war defense contracts with exorbitant costs, improper billings, no moral obligations by the vendors, serving rotten food and contaminated water to our troops, using banned weapons and using our troops to test vaccines, etc. It is obvious this war is benefiting some well connected individuals and corporations while hurting everything and everyone else, ultimately creating more 'terrorists' because of the many atrocities committed in the name of "Freedom".

We now know for a fact that the "Gulf of Tonkin" was a lie and ultimately led to the Vietnam war-

We know for a fact our government openly and covertly intervenes in other country's personal affairs.

We know JFK called out the controllers as those behind the curtain in a landmark speech, and he was assassinated not long afterward. Many others have as well have suffered his fate.

We know that political lobbies are the strong arm of corporations and foreign countries (that can afford them) and these lobbies job is to shape favorable laws for their clients. What kind of laws would big corporations like to see? Laws that help them generate more profits as that is all that is important to the corporations- at the expense of the environment or labor force, its all for the good of profit.

Viewed in this reference it would seem to me much more plausible that another "Pearl Harbor type event" was needed to bring about a permanent military presence in the middle east and the "new world order" (Bush 41 referred to the NWO in a speech on 9-11-90. bizarre date coincidence right? exactly 11 years later to the day, everything completely changes due to a "Pearl Harbor Type Event"- I find that odd to say the least, but I know- I wear tinfoil so that makes whatever I say, irrelevant.

yeah yeah- that BS gets so old.

Oh yeah, how long did W and crew say we would be in Iraq anyway? Did he say anything about massive, multi billion dollar embassies being built?

In and out I thought was the line- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJgYxWhDDWc

"Don't pull out! Don't pull out!" I guess was more like it

Cheney admitting he is a member of the CFR, a Rockafeller created organization http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg

Anyone heard of a CAFR? Google it. (hidden set government books- VERY INTERESTING)

I know I am too paranoid, and guilty of thread drift... oh well-

have a nice day to you too!

Oops one last thing:
What security company that was in charge of security in the months preceding 9-11-01?
(Hint it was a relative of Bush- another bizarre coincidence? wow, sure are a lot of those...)

[billvon 2,396]

> They never question anything, and swallow practically everything that
>comes out of the TV as 'truth'.

Including things like "Loose Change."

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> They never question anything, and swallow practically everything that
>comes out of the TV as 'truth'.

Including things like "Loose Change."

Heck, I'm still trying to figure out just WHAT this 'nanocomposite thermate explosive' is and who makes it...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Heck, I'm still trying to figure out just WHAT this 'nanocomposite thermate explosive' is and who makes it...

Itty-bitty bombs?

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>The failure of 'a' floor or 3 is the most likely, if any from the fires, with
>the assistance of the initial damage.

Ah, in that case I agree. And the failure of a single floor will generally rapidly lead to the destruction of the entire building. Buildings are not designed to withstand the loss of a floor, and the remaining structure is not designed to "soft-land" the structure above.

You have shown clearly that you don't understand the strength and designs of these bulidings.

You probably read the FEMA reports (like most) in detail and nothing else since, as these were the first explanations given. Fema didin't explain the constructon very well and omitted including the actual vertical strenght (the core) of the building in its reports.

By the time NIST released their report, your opinion was already set in concrete here, even though you didn't have the correct information to base it upon!

You have proven it is worthless debating with you!

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>A single floor is not millions of tonnes, are you saying it is certain that
> all the core structure collapsed simultaniously, on all 3 buildings due
>to random fire?

No. The collapses happened hours apart.

>That is what would need to happen, all at precicely the same
>time?

No. They did not collapse all at the same time. They collapsed when they were weakened to the point of failure by impact, fire and seismic loads.

ok, Poindexter, you refuse to see the point but make stupid comments, so I'll re phrase

Individually all 3 buildings had to have had all of thier vertical core colums fail at precicely the same time for the buliding to fail as they did.

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