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If the Bush goverment was slick enough to pull off something as complicated as 911, then why could they not even manage to do something as trivial as to plant some WMD's in Iraq?



Assumtion is the mother of all fuck ups, initially I blamed the GW admin, etc. etc. but I have learned that pointing the blame when there is no evidence beyond resonable doubt, is stupid.

A bonafide investigation would expose all the evidence, including the 'said' thousands of photos collected at the site, all the video from the pentagon and investigating in accordance with stipulated guidelines.

The NIST report does not do this, and does not explain the events beyond reasonable doubt, so therefore all you guys who think you 'know' what happend that day, really are assuming something based on false statements.

It is all hearsay, until a proper investigation happens, it will happen.

Then we might start to make sence of it all.

What is the pentagon holding the photos and footage for? National Security?

What a joke, there is no reason to hold that footage, none at all!

If so enlighten me?



First off, you said it yourself, national security. Youll be lucky if it's declassified in your grandchildrens lifetime.

Secondly, they have release entire truckloads (literally in some cases) of data. No they arent gonna give fox news an incendiary tape that wouldn't prove anything. Truthers are the same idiots that think we didn't land on the moon. no amount of evidence will ever convince them that they aren't some super sleuth that figured it all out.

Was there more foreign-national sponsorship of the terrorists?
possibly.

Were the terrorists aided by others on the ground that remain uncaught?
probably

Were the towers demolished by explosives?
Not a chance in hell jack.
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First off, you said it yourself, national security. Youll be lucky if it's declassified in your grandchildrens lifetime.



Let me get this straight, apparently a plane crashes into the pentagon (potentially the most heavily monitored building in the world) an hour after one of the worlds largest skyscrapers is hit, and there is only footage of a small fast projectile and a subsequent explosion.

this is the only footage releases, and there is potentially hundreds of photos/videos, but not available to the investigators.

This footage will remain classified for national security reasons, why?


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Truthers are the same idiots that think we didn't land on the moon. no amount of evidence will ever convince them that they aren't some super sleuth that figured it all out.



go on kidding yourself and slotting people in a genre that fits your stance.

scientists are scientists, and post whores are merely post whores.

Everybody wants to believe so much that they are not wrong that they will let the truth slip by unoticed (by themselves only of course).
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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A bonafide investigation would expose all the evidence, including the 'said' thousands of photos collected at the site, all the video from the pentagon and investigating in accordance with stipulated guidelines.

The NIST report does not do this, and does not explain the events beyond reasonable doubt, so therefore all you guys who think you 'know' what happend that day, really are assuming something based on false statements.

It is all hearsay, until a proper investigation happens, it will happen.

Then we might start to make sence of it all.

What is the pentagon holding the photos and footage for? National Security?

What a joke, there is no reason to hold that footage, none at all!

If so enlighten me?



What exactly do you think they are withholding?

Or do you just think they must be withholding something (nothing specific that you know of, but something), because that is what they do?

From all the documentaries I've seen, seems pretty straightforward, with an occasinal "we don't know for sure." Which is bound to occur for a few missing details in any investigation of such a complex event.

Appears to me the investigation has been pretty thorough - probably one of the most thoroughly investigated and analyzed crimes in history. Also appears to be very little doubt about anything significant. For crying out loud they have video of half the guys walking thru security. There are photos and videos of damn near everything you mention.

What exactly do you think is missing that is so signifiicant as to cause you to suspect the government did it, or covered it up? That is a truly incredible accusation which demands evidence; of which we basically have internet rumor based on conjecture, feelings, and outright lies.
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Let me get this straight, apparently a plane crashes into the pentagon (potentially the most heavily monitored building in the world) an hour after one of the worlds largest skyscrapers is hit, and there is only footage of a small fast projectile and a subsequent explosion.



Hundreds of people saw that plane and saw it hit. They did not see a small fast projectile; they saw a plane, they saw THE plane. Where are you getting the BS that no one saw a plane?

Do you really think a jetliner screaming out of the sky and across the ground at 500 went unnoticed?

There is only the small clip, which I believe is actually a series of stills from a time lapse camera (or whatever the proper term is for a camera that snaps a shot every X seconds). It still manages to capture enough of an image to show it is a plane.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Were the towers demolished by explosives?
Not a chance in hell jack.



The LC guys are backing off of that in their next version. Apparently the lack of evidence is under even their standards.

Edit: Their standard must be changing from it's-the-story-we-like-the-best to we-need-at-least-one-credible-expert-to-come-along-with-us.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and I have not seen any. I am curious however if you believe the holocaust or the Apollo landings were real events or for that matter if there are any "conspiracies" that you do not subscribe to.

If I was truly convinced my government was capable of murdering adults and children by the thousands, in cold blood, I would not be able to carry on with a normal life, I can think of few things that would distress me more. If I was as certain of these facts as you claim to be, I would absolutely and without hesitation take my family and leave the country.
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In all honest truth, I feel very sorry for you. To have the beliefs that you have, your daily life must be a living hell thinking your government is capable and very willing of killing you and your family at any given moment for any given reason.

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The Loose Change people said that there was no plane wreckage found at the site of impact of the Pentagon. Actually there was quite a lot of it, and yes, there are photographs of plane parts found around the site of impact, but the Loose Change people just posted the photos that didn't have them in frame, or were taken after the debris was removed. It's called selective editing.
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>If I was truly convinced my government was capable of murdering
>adults and children by the thousands, in cold blood . . .

They are capable of that, and have proven so time and again. This is generally justified under the banner of winning a war or achieving some other political/social objective.

However, in this case, I do not think that happened. Further I suspect you meant "killing americans by the thousands, in cold blood . . ." which is a slightly different prospect.

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First off, you said it yourself, national security. Youll be lucky if it's declassified in your grandchildrens lifetime.



Let me get this straight, apparently a plane crashes into the pentagon (potentially the most heavily monitored building in the world) an hour after one of the worlds largest skyscrapers is hit, and there is only footage of a small fast projectile and a subsequent explosion.

this is the only footage releases, and there is potentially hundreds of photos/videos, but not available to the investigators.

This footage will remain classified for national security reasons, why?


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Truthers are the same idiots that think we didn't land on the moon. no amount of evidence will ever convince them that they aren't some super sleuth that figured it all out.



go on kidding yourself and slotting people in a genre that fits your stance.

scientists are scientists, and post whores are merely post whores.

Everybody wants to believe so much that they are not wrong that they will let the truth slip by unoticed (by themselves only of course).



I will personally fly to wherever you are and hand you $1000 cash if you can show me bonafide footage of a "small fast projectile" striking the pentagon on 9/11 instead of the plane that hundreds if not thousands saw (and ended up in millions of peices all over the pentagon lawn)

put up or shut up, your paranoid rhetoric shtick is getting tired.


And before you go for the old nutjo....er truther chestnut, loosechange has been disproven time and time again. Stop listing to high school school students on the interwebs.
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Already did - just because you don't like what it says doesn't mean the investigation was bogus.



These guys will beg to differ.

If you didn't like the 'physics was my favorite class in high school' guys credentials, how about the 'I am Major General Albert Stubblebine. I am retired Army Major-General. In my last assignment -- my last command -- I was responsible for all of the Army's strategic intelligence forces around the world. I had responsibility for the Signals Intelligence, Photo Intelligence, Counter Intelligence, Human Intelligence. They all belonged to me, in my last assignment. …
' guys credentials.

I know you can't view 'you tube' while you are being paid by you beloved socialist system for being a post whore. buy all the interviews are typed out for your viewing, you other mates acan confirm the interviews are the real deal.

You need to learn what 'Beyond reasonable doubt' means.
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Already did - just because you don't like what it says doesn't mean the investigation was bogus.



These guys will beg to differ.

If you didn't like the 'physics was my favorite class in high school' guys credentials, how about the 'I am Major General Albert Stubblebine. I am retired Army Major-General. In my last assignment -- my last command -- I was responsible for all of the Army's strategic intelligence forces around the world.



That reminds me - the student with the lowest ever GPA to graduate from our school went into military intelligence.

Jus' sayin'.
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OK OK
LETS FINALLY DISCLOSE WHAT REALLY OCCURED

Hillary Clinton along with Elvis,Jimmy Hoffa ,JFK
and the other usual suspects had it done to cover up the UFO release of the fact that Bill C has having an affair with Madonna not Monica.
GW here at a skull and bones meeting with Kerry planing the next tax cut to the upper class .

The CIA along with the KGB with help of the Mossad did the actual deed because evidence was hidden in the vault showing no one really ever went to the moon.

Ok now you know
CARRY ON

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Already did - just because you don't like what it says doesn't mean the investigation was bogus.



These guys will beg to differ.

If you didn't like the 'physics was my favorite class in high school' guys credentials, how about the 'I am Major General Albert Stubblebine. I am retired Army Major-General. In my last assignment -- my last command -- I was responsible for all of the Army's strategic intelligence forces around the world. I had responsibility for the Signals Intelligence, Photo Intelligence, Counter Intelligence, Human Intelligence. They all belonged to me, in my last assignment. …
' guys credentials.

I know you can't view 'you tube' while you are being paid by you beloved socialist system for being a post whore. buy all the interviews are typed out for your viewing, you other mates acan confirm the interviews are the real deal.

You need to learn what 'Beyond reasonable doubt' means.



Is this your guy? Major General Albert Stubblebine: A key sponsor of the research internally at Fort Meade, he was convinced of the reality of a wide variety of psychic phenomena, leading him to even attempt to walk through walls.
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let's get the word out before it's too late
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Obama harvesting body parts? Retired FBI agent says so

WASHINGTON — Is the federal government planning to replicate the French Revolution’s Reign of Terror, using the guillotine to silence their domestic enemies?

Of course not.

However, the accusation is out there. It’s one of many claims spread via the Internet, according to McClatchy Tribune news service.

In one scenario, retired FBI agent Ted Gunderson says the government has prepared 1,000 camps for its own citizens. He also says the government has stored 30,000 guillotines to murder its critics, and has stashed 500,000 caskets in Georgia and Montana for the remains.

Why guillotines? “Because,” Gunderson wrote in a report obtained by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, “beheading is the most efficient means of harvesting body parts.”


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Well, I dunno. I wouldn't presume to advise you on any changes to what may be the most awesome web page I've ever seen, but you know, with all that "thermate" in his wheaties it may have had subtle effects on his essential duckness. I mean, it brings up all kinds of philosophical questions... just what IS a duck, anyway? How do you define, "duck"? Are ducks customarily combustible? And if not, and if one -becomes- combustible, is it still a duck? Does it simply expand the definition of duck, or has it become something else entirely? Is there any such thing as a pyrotechnic duck?

Now, I have a lighter shaped like a penguin, which may be related or at least shed some light on the subject without having to actually ignite Billvon in order to gain insight into this matter, but the trouble is, my penguin runs on butane and not powdered metal oxides and thus has limited scope for comparison. Its an aquatic avian with an unusually high potential for exothermic chemical reactions, production of expanding gases and various optical phenomena, but thats where the similarities end, unless I've missed something.

I suppose the thing to do would be to put Billvon with a bunch of other ducks and see if they still accept him among them, combustible or no. I say, the other ducks are the authorities, and if a combustible Billvon is good enough for them, he should be good enough for us all. This is just my considered opinion, and I could be wrong, but I'll stick to it until proven wrong by a recognized authority or anyone on enough drugs with the most advanced tinfoil hat available. High tech shiny things always impress me.
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>In one scenario, retired FBI agent Ted Gunderson says the government
> has prepared 1,000 camps for its own citizens. He also says the
>government has stored 30,000 guillotines to murder its critics, and has
>stashed 500,000 caskets in Georgia and Montana for the remains.

So that's 13 caskets for each guillotine? They only last through 13 beheadings before they have to be retired? What an example of government waste! Obama is not fit to be president if that's an example of his "change." A REAL president would use better guillotines.

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Already did - just because you don't like what it says doesn't mean the investigation was bogus.



These guys will beg to differ.



So. fucking. what?

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If you didn't like the 'physics was my favorite class in high school' guys credentials, how about the 'I am Major General Albert Stubblebine. I am retired Army Major-General. In my last assignment -- my last command -- I was responsible for all of the Army's strategic intelligence forces around the world. I had responsibility for the Signals Intelligence, Photo Intelligence, Counter Intelligence, Human Intelligence. They all belonged to me, in my last assignment. …
' guys credentials.



Again, so what?

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I know you can't view 'you tube' while you are being paid by you beloved socialist system for being a post whore. buy all the interviews are typed out for your viewing, you other mates acan confirm the interviews are the real deal.



You've got a real fetish for my post numbers - maybe you should see a professional about that ... and maybe some other things.

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You need to learn what 'Beyond reasonable doubt' means.



And YOU need to learn what "physics" means.
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