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... or that religion disqualifies someone for being President. Wasn't that old tome put to bed in 1960?




Obviously not[:/][:/]

And the worst part is all of this is coming from the religious right rePUBICans who have done more to interject religion into our government than ANY other group in the history of our country. They have a VP candidate who is even farther into the religious right than the current Incompetent in Charge.. who took us on his excellent little personal "crusade"
So much for that separation of church and state.

This thread and several others in SC are pointing out a very very serious problem. No wonder our country is in such sad shape..

More people need to go to school to get an education.. not to party:|


The separtation of Church and State is what is wrong with America. Had things stayed the way they were intended to stay when the Constitution was written, then we would not be in near the mess we are in now. When you take God out, all you have is bad.
(America was founded by those who believed in God and the Christian faith)

However, this is not where I intended this thread to go. I simply posted a video, that showed proof, that it was not the replublicans who caused our economic mess.:S:S:S:S:S:S
You are right (just be prepared to be thrown to the lions).
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> Had things stayed the way they were intended to stay when the Constitution
>was written, then we would not be in near the mess we are in now.

First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."

What did the Founding Fathers have to say about it?

"The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses. "- John Adams

"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, it is declared. . . that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. . . .The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." - John Adams

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not." - James Madison

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose." - Thomas Jefferson

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their "legislature" should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties." - Thomas Jefferson

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Well........ it is just a video from Youtube but there is some truth to it. I am merely stating this from my experience as a Sr. mortgage banker and now Sr. investment banker. The government had a big hand in it and did push the banks to lend as they did. I would say about 5-10% of the mess is on behalf of shady lenders but laws passed under administrations pushed this whole meltdown to happen. It all centers around the mortgage crisis and that was started by the dems. That being said bush pushed even harder to get more aggressive programs through via Fannie and Freddie so he could say that under him X amount of minorities and low tax bracket individuals are home owners. So you are right in that both parties are to blame but it did all get started by Carter and his policies. The important thing is what we are going to do moving forward not who caused it.
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Wow Bill........ I just told him this country was founded by Diests and you went out and got all of those quotes basically supporting what I said. I always hated that stance.... as a Christain it pissed me off to hear "we are a Christian nation and were founded that way" it is just not true and does nothing but make me as a Christian look bad. Nice quote selection! B|

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Agreed but too much time can be spent on pointing fingers and not enough time on a solution........ we already bombed round 1 with the bail out plan passing. It is getting hard to stay optimistic.
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Wait one second.... "Christians" did not do that! A dictator hell bent on his ways did. Hitler did not like religion at all!!! Come on.... Christians, especially Catholics have really screwed up in the past. Use one of those debacles not some random statement that is not even close to truth.



"(I) regard Christianity as the foundation of our national morality and the family as the basis of our national life."
--Adolf Hitler

"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and the reproduction of our race...so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe...Peoples that bastardize themselves, or let themselves be bastardized, sin against the will of eternal Providence."
--Adolf Hitler

"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."
--Adolf Hitler

The rumors of Hitler practicing some form of Paganism are just that...rumors. Until I see or hear something to prove the contrary, I will go with the info that is available. He was raised Catholic and, according to National Secretary Klundt, he joined the German Christians and converted to Protestantism in 1933.

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All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:


Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:


National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:


Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:


The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:


The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:


Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:


Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)


14th December, 1941, midday:


Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:


There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:


It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)


I'm always nice ;)

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Interesting quote from John Adams (maybe he wasn't sure what he believed in, except not the Holy Trinity) courtesy of Wikiquote. [url] "I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations. If I were an atheist of the other sect, who believe or pretend to believe that all is ordered by chance, I should believe that chance had ordered the Jews to preserve and propagate to all mankind the doctrine of a supreme, intelligent, wise, almighty sovereign of the universe, which I believe to be the great essential principle of all morality, and consequently of all civilization".
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All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:


Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:


National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:


Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:


The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:


The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:


Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:


Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)


14th December, 1941, midday:


Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:


There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:


It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)


I'm always nice ;)





Point taken. Coincidentally, that coincides with the time that things went to hell for the Jews (and others). You win....on that point anyway.

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I SUPPORT THE SEPARATION OF LIBERALS FROM GOVERMENT...

Mama, dear --
a. Liberals have just as much right to vote and be a part of government. It's part of what makes America what it is. Conservatives, too.
b. You don't really help your cause by misspelling government.

Wendy W.



Thanks for pointing out my typo, I type very fast and occasionally make mistakes.

I understand we all have the right to vote, and we all have the right to freedom of speech, which is what makes America so awesome.... only problem is, if we elect a muslim into office, we will have bigger problems than the economy. I simply don't understand why people (Americans) can't wrap their heads around this.... After all it was those of the Muslim faith that killed so many 7 years ago....



Whooooow... if we elect a Muslim into office the dead will rise from their graves. Also wives will become communal and children will have evil powers over their parents.

Now seriously, which forest were you did the wolves raise you in? You obviously are not serious, cause if you are then you should take a pill or something.
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I understand we all have the right to vote, and we all have the right to freedom of speech, which is what makes America so awesome.... only problem is, if we elect a muslim into office, we will have bigger problems than the economy. I simply don't understand why people (Americans) can't wrap their heads around this.... After all it was those of the Muslim faith that killed so many 7 years ago....




Wow... are you really serious? And those of the Christian faith... blow up women's clinics? Murder doctors? Start wars, etc. etc. all in the name of Christ?

How can you associate with anyone in this world actually if you are going to alienate yourself from everyone belonging to any religion out there who has committed an atrocity? You probably want to lock yourself in the basement with some canned goods and flashlights and never come out again just to be safe.

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The separtation of Church and State is what is wrong with America. Had things stayed the way they were intended to stay when the Constitution was written, then we would not be in near the mess we are in now. When you take God out, all you have is bad.
(America was founded by those who believed in God and the Christian faith)


That is very disappointing.
Read the entire Declaration of Independence. It is very enlightening as to the situation of the colonists and why they wished to become independent.

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>Now seriously, which forest were you did the wolves raise you in? You obviously
>are not serious, cause if you are then you should take a pill or something.

Your one warning. Cut it out.



Bill, you are so forceful, so manly:$
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I understand we all have the right to vote, and we all have the right to freedom of speech, which is what makes America so awesome.... only problem is, if we elect a muslim into office, we will have bigger problems than the economy. I simply don't understand why people (Americans) can't wrap their heads around this.... After all it was those of the Muslim faith that killed so many 7 years ago....



I seriously cant believe that you really buy into that drivel... WTF:S:S:S

I dont think anyone can believe he has a prayer rug and does the Mecca thing.. sheesh:SB|


... or that religion disqualifies someone for being President. Wasn't that old tome put to bed in 1960?


HOW many posts on here on Huckabee's religion?

HOW many posts on here about Bush's religion?
Mike
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I understand we all have the right to vote, and we all have the right to freedom of speech, which is what makes America so awesome.... only problem is, if we elect a muslim into office, we will have bigger problems than the economy. I simply don't understand why people (Americans) can't wrap their heads around this.... After all it was those of the Muslim faith that killed so many 7 years ago....



I seriously cant believe that you really buy into that drivel... WTF:S:S:S

I dont think anyone can believe he has a prayer rug and does the Mecca thing.. sheesh:SB|


... or that religion disqualifies someone for being President. Wasn't that old tome put to bed in 1960?


HOW many posts on here on Huckabee's religion?

HOW many posts on here about Bush's religion?


:S Yeah, I can see the headline:

Leap of Faith: Are Americans Ready to Elect a Protestant President?

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Whups - I meant Romney.

But regardless, look at all the posts about religion and tell me again that nobody cares about religion - unless, of course, it's a conservative.

THEN their religion is a big deal.
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I simply posted a video, that showed proof, that it was not the replublicans who caused our economic mess.



I seriously doubt that a music video from youtube shows proof of any such thing. I also seriously doubt that we can point to any one group of people and say, "They caused the economic mess." It's a pretty complicated situation, and there are lots of different people who have played a part in it (probably from all different parties). But if you'd like to post a link to a credible source that explains exactly who (or who did not) cause the economic mess, then I'd be interested in reading it.


My thoughts ... with what I considered more credible sources (Alan Greenspan, Joe Stiglitz) & more robust arguments, mixed in with my own thoughts (leave assessment of the credibility of the latter to the reader :)here.

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I don't feel like chasing a specific post or thread, so this one will do..What we have here, is the liberal's chickens are coming home to roost, far sooner than they hoped.

They have stood against increasing our supply of fuel by blocking any possible drilling, under the guise of protecting the environment.
They just forgot the the old, 'Stone in the pond' analogy. They are now seeing the beginning of the results that they so desired. Guess what? Nobody is buying fuel because it's now too expensive to run to the beach for the weekend, or any other extra curricular activity. But, Damn, the air is clean, and the interstate is great for a weekend motorcycle ride.
:D

They wanted to draw the economically challenged, to their party, i.e. 'those who didn't win life's lottery' to have an even shot at the 'American Dream'.
By law, they forced the hand of lending institutions to go against the natural laws of economics... And Voila..... A housing crash...

Of course, some people saw an opportunity for a windfall, and hired millions of illegal aliens, at cheap prices, to build these million dollar shacks, instead of depending on solid, knowledgeable, local labor to build.

Suddenly, the local construction worker has two choices. Find a different job, or take a hit, and start working for the same price that is being paid to the illegals...Only problem is, he bought into the hype about the American Dream, and also took the bait....

I love it..... Nobody's building or buying houses, nobody's driving anywhere, the money is going to be redistibuted, and nobody will have money to hire anyone.... On the upside, all of those damned illegals will get hungry, and head home... Let's wait for a couple of years to build that fence.

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Whom are you talking about? Last I checked the candidates of the 2 major parties in this election are both Protestant.
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Whom are you talking about? Last I checked the candidates of the 2 major parties in this election are both Protestant.



Obama is playing Protestant to look good, he is in fact a muslim. Before ya'll start slamming me, do your research, you'll find the facts buried deeply.;)

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Whom are you talking about? Last I checked the candidates of the 2 major parties in this election are both Protestant.



Obama is playing Protestant to look good, he is in fact a muslim. Before ya'll start slamming me, do your research, you'll find the facts buried deeply.;)


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"He's playing Christian to look good ..."
"He's playing Protestant to look good ..."

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Man, this man really must be working hard to buffalo the world about his true religion.

"...he is in fact a muslim. ..."

Where are your facts?

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>Obama is playing Protestant to look good, he is in fact a muslim.

Yep. Of course, once Rev. Wright comes up again, I expect you'll flip-flop instantly to be able to slam him there.

"Sure, Obama wants you to THINK he's Muslim. But in fact he's Protestant, and owes all his religious beliefs to a man who said god damn America!"

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