birdlike 0 #1 September 23, 2008 I thought the Europeans were not plagued by the problems that we cowboy-Americans suffer... Shooting in Finnish school This part has me wondering... "She says the man used a 22-millimeter caliber handgun in Tuesday's attack. Holmlund says he got the license for the gun in August.." WTF is a "22-millimeter caliber handgun"?! .866 CALIBER??!! Well, it's not an .88 Magnum, at least. We know that the .88 shoots through schools; this .866 shot within one, so at least people outside the school weren't endangered.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,920 #2 September 23, 2008 Quote Holmlund says he got the license for the gun in August.." Loonies and guns don't mix.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #3 September 23, 2008 QuoteQuote Holmlund says he got the license for the gun in August.." Loonies and guns don't mix. I don't know squat about Finnish gun laws, and don't have the time or inclination right now to look it up. But I have a suspicion that in Europe it's a lot closer to your fantasy about having all the mental health records and vetting available before a gun is sold to a "loonie," Kallend. And still this guy got one. The police had him in custody related to his posting of his target shooting practice. They let him go. Why? Did he seem to be a loonie or not? If he was there with the police and they couldn't see that he was a loonie, what other records check could have kept him from getting a gun?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #4 September 23, 2008 Quote WTF is a "22-millimeter caliber handgun"?! You do know not that much about guns/handguns/calibers, do you) Have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle Cal. .22 LR often is used for close season hand guns/guns. That guy used a Walther P22. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #5 September 23, 2008 QuoteLoonies and guns don't mix. Quote: "The Finnish news agency STT said the school building was on fire and the gunman reportedly had explosives on him."Loonies and explosives don't mix. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #6 September 23, 2008 QuoteQuoteWTF is a "22-millimeter caliber handgun"?! You do know not that much about guns/handguns/calibers, do you) Cal. .22 LR often is used for close season hand guns/guns. That guy used a Walther P22. Actually, he does - that's why he's questioning the news story which lists the gun as a 22-millimeter, which can't be correct - no such handgun exists. It's the news story which got the identification of the caliber incorrect, not birdlike. You apparently don't know the difference between millimeters and caliber. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #7 September 23, 2008 I found it odd he would question that as well since it's pretty obvious the writer meant .22 caliber. I just thought he was being sarcastic.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #8 September 23, 2008 Quote Quote Quote WTF is a "22-millimeter caliber handgun"?! You do know not that much about guns/handguns/calibers, do you) Cal. .22 LR often is used for close season hand guns/guns. That guy used a Walther P22. Actually, he does - that's why he's questioning the news story which lists the gun as a 22-millimeter, which can't be correct - no such handgun exists. It's the news story which got the identification of the caliber incorrect, not birdlike. You apparently don't know the difference between millimeters and caliber. Quote WTF is a "22-millimeter caliber handgun"? Are you kidding me? What is to be misunderstood in the word "... calibre ...." handgun? You had a look at the provided link? It's not only showing the calibre description but, the metering rule too, which is 22 mm. Even the dumbest reader of the link will understand these explanations. Perhaps there are folks at the side of your pond who do not know the "millimeter". That would explain a bit more. Just for reference: In Sept. 1988, I received my license, I'm still an active hunter and know well where there is the difference between millimeter and caliber (which rarely is the same). But, in this case it's just called cal .22, and it's 22 mm. About what do you want to argue? Just explain to Jeffrey and his world is OK then. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #9 September 23, 2008 QuoteActually, he does - that's why he's questioning the news story which lists the gun as a 22-millimeter, which can't be correct - no such handgun exists. Can you point out where it says that? I'm not seeing it.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #10 September 23, 2008 Your the one who must be kidding and hasn't figured out caliber! "Caliber" refers to the DIAMETER of the bullet (or more correctly probably the bore of the barrell), NOT the length of the cartridge! .22 Long Rifle is 0.22 INCHES in DIAMETER. And the ones shown in the photo on wiki are longer than 22mm anyway! Some calibers ARE given in mm. 5.56mm for instance is 0.223 inches. It is called 5.56x45 (45 is the length!) when made as a military round. It is called .223 REM in its civilian version (not idential rounds but close). So you may have .17 .22, 7.62mm .357, 9mm, 10mm, .40, .45 caliber pistols. The ones with decimal points are in hundreths of an inch. The one with mm behind them are in mm. The reporter made a mistake and called a .22 caliber pistol a 22 mm caliber pistol. There is no modern pistol with a caliber this big. There might have been a 16th century hand cannon but that's not what he used.You might try looking at the bottom of the wiki link to see the dimensions. Where'd you get that license? I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #11 September 23, 2008 Quote Quote Actually, he does - that's why he's questioning the news story which lists the gun as a 22-millimeter, which can't be correct - no such handgun exists. Can you point out where it says that? I'm not seeing it. You mean this: Quote She says the man used a 22-millimeter caliber handgun in Tuesday's attack. Holmlund says he got the license for the gun in August. It's from Jeffrey's link. JR is incorrect: The gun was not "listed as a 22-millimeter". It's described as "a 22 mm caliber handgun", which is quite common. At least for me. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #12 September 23, 2008 from the article: Quote She says the man used a 22-millimeter caliber handgun in Tuesday's attack. Holmlund says he got the license for the gun in August. Holy shit, the bullets would be nearly an inch in diameter! That would do some serious damage! By the way, 0.22 times one inch would be 5.6 millimeters. Not 22 millimeters. But WTF would I know. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #13 September 23, 2008 QuoteIt's from Jeffrey's link. JR is incorrect: The gun was not "listed as a 22-millimeter". It's described as "a 22 mm caliber handgun", which is quite common. At least for me. OK, then what does the "mm" stand for in that phrase? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #14 September 23, 2008 Quote [It's from Jeffrey's link. JR is incorrect: The gun was not "listed as a 22-millimeter". It's described as "a 22 mm caliber handgun", which is quite common. At least for me. Your digging yourself deeper and deeper. Try again. It is NOT a 22 mm caliber handgun you shoot. It is a .22 LR handgun with a bullet DIAMETER of 0.22 inches.But none of this matters, the ten students are just as dead.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #15 September 23, 2008 Quote -- Where'd you get that license? A quick glance into my profile, there it is: Germany. Like I said: Caliber and mm are rarely the same. Was that proper English or not? Where didn't you understand that short sentence? Also, you should read a bit closer: "Even for the dumbest reader ...." An example for our shocked Jeffrey about "22 millimeters" Hint: metering rule. Jesus, how clever do you guys think you are?? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #16 September 23, 2008 sorry, I'm a gun noob here. (never owned one) what is meant by "22 millimeters caliber handgun"? Is the "22 millimeters" the length of the cartridge, or what? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #17 September 23, 2008 I saw Germany. That's why I tried to be patient and explain it. Your still wrong. What do you not understand about the fact that there is no 22 mm CALIBER handgun? Caliber and mm ARE OFTEN the same. See my previous post. 7.62 mm, 9 mm, 10 mm are all pistol CALIBERS in mm.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #18 September 23, 2008 Quote sorry, I'm a gun noob here. (never owned one) but what does the "mm" mean then? Because I (and some others here who have more familiarity with guns than I do) see "mm" and assume it stands for "millimeters." "mm" has nothing special to do with hunting. It's just millimeter. Like you said. In actual thread it should have been from the beginning "length of bullet itself" in mm, would've spared some posters some cardiac fibrillation but, simply: mm = millimeter. You can use it for measuring bullets, cars, d*cks etc. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #19 September 23, 2008 OK, but the word "caliber" is a unit of diameter, not length. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #20 September 23, 2008 BUT it's not the LENGTH of the bullet. IT's the DIAMETER!!! (shaking head) One last try. .22 long rifle refers to the caliber in inches. The leading zero is dropped by convention. The '.' translates to a ',' in German. 0.22 inches or in European 0,22 inches. 22 mm CALIBER does not exist! From someone who has been shooting .22 LR since I was 10, 40 years ago. (god I'm old) Try this one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliber I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #21 September 23, 2008 Loonies and wasting half the f&^%$#g thread on nomenclature don't mix. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #22 September 23, 2008 maybe they meant this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.65x22mm_Parabellum It is a handgun cartirdge that is 22 mm long. But again, 22 mm is not the caliber, it is the length. The caliber would be 7.65 mm. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #23 September 23, 2008 I went to pick up some reloading supplies the other day. I was looking for some .40S&W bullets, but the store only had 10mm. Oh well guess Ill have to wait until some come in. Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #24 September 23, 2008 Quote BUT it's not the LENGTH of the bullet. IT's the DIAMETER!!! Quote Holy Bullet! In "this actual" case, it was just trying to expain to little unexperienced Jeffrey: There is a thing you can use for shooting which is 22 mm (or more) long! Is that so difficult? Read his very first post, dear old man, please ... If not go on raving about calibers, lenths, weights, diameters, muzlle enegiers (oh wait: that was not you!) and all other important things for daily life - I have to go and clean and caress my .22 lfB now. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martin-o 0 #25 September 23, 2008 QuoteI thought the Europeans were not plagued by the problems that we cowboy-Americans suffer... Finnish gun laws are probably the most liberal in Europe. I belive you can by a handgun at the age of 15. The number of guns per capita is twice that of most other European countries. /Martin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
