Choices

[RkyMtnHigh 0]

What are we to do when ALL of our choices are wrong?

Current President Bush - mistake
Obama's bullshit promises= mistake
McCain's solutions- mistake

SHIT! Now what?! What are our options? Are we really at the whim of whoever is voted into office? and if they are assassinated (highly likely IMO), then we are at the vulnerability of whoever they selected as the VP and with either candidates are we confident with whoever that is? Can we all ban together for "none of the above"?

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[rasmack 0]

Noone ever said that a representative democracy is perfect. In the long run it is (probably) just the least bad way of doing things. In order for it to work, though, a certain openness wrt to decision making needs to be present for you as a voter to properly evaluate those who have had their shot (i.e. those in office). That openness is blatantly not present right now.

I guess what I'm saying is that you'll never have a clear answer as to whether you as a people have made the wrong or the right choice.

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[Gawain 0]

Well, don't forget candidates Barr and Nader...not that they'll win, they represent a segment of the electorate that the two main parties pay attention to, but it hardly represents a mandate.

As far as the upcoming election is concerned, I'm not as worried as you are, because while Senator McCain is not my favorite republican candidate (I liked Sen. Thompson), he is far and above more in line with my ideas than Senator Obama will ever be. For me, in that light, it's an easy decision to make.

Do a PRO/CON list. We as Americans get the government we deserve. Too few want to get involved, and be a part of the process. Now, we reap what we sow.

It has boiled to the point that the democrats have allowed a guy that no one knows, who's been in the Senate for a few days, and is a closet radical to be their representative. Though, he's treated as a messiah in the media.

On the other side, they allowed the media to pick a candidate for them. Granted it's a Senator with a long, distinguished career, but not truly in line with the party he represents in many areas.

For me, it's a simple and easy choice.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[ErricoMalatesta 0]

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What are we to do when ALL of our choices are wrong?

Continue with your realisation that they aren't actually choices at all and then grow old and bitter at a world that benefits a select few

[ErricoMalatesta 0]

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It has boiled to the point that the democrats have allowed a guy that no one knows, who's been in the Senate for a few days, and is a closet radical

haha.

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For me, it's a simple and easy choice.

It sure must be.

[vortexring 0]

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What are we to do when ALL of our choices are wrong?

Continue with your realisation that they aren't actually choices at all and then grow old and bitter at a world that benefits a select few

Are you old and bitter?

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[Gawain 0]

Granted, we disagree. That's part of the American experience.

However, do you really disagree with this statement?

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We as Americans get the government we deserve. Too few want to get involved, and be a part of the process. Now, we reap what we sow.

It's well known that a whole lot of democrats are not very happy with their candidate too.

For me, I think the conservative movement stands a better chance with Senator McCain in office than it does with Senator Obama. Reason being, it allows the focus to remain on Congress as a whole, rather than both the executive and legislative branch.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Andy9o8 0]

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What are we to do when ALL of our choices are wrong?

Vote for whomever is the least worst, AND is likely to win.

Let's be practical - someone is going to win, so make your vote count toward helping someone who actually has a chance of getting into office. IMO, voting for a non-viable 3rd-party candidate - unless you specifically intend that vote to indirectly help a major-party candidate - is a wasted protest vote. "None of the Above" never appointed a Supreme Court justice or sent troops into combat.

[jcd11235 0]

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I think the conservative movement stands a better chance with Senator McCain in office than it does with Senator Obama.

That's reason enough to vote for Obama right there.

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[Andrewwhyte 1]

As a foreigner I am not that unhappy with the candidates. Yes Obama is an "eat the rich" socialist and McCain is probably too old to really move with the changing international realities, but I really do believe that they are both men of high integrity. Either will be a large improvement over the war criminal you have in the seat now.

[Gawain 0]

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I think the conservative movement stands a better chance with Senator McCain in office than it does with Senator Obama.

That's reason enough to vote for Obama right there.

If you're not a conservative, then I guess that makes sense. Since I'm not a liberal, I'm not going to advocate for Senator Obama.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[billvon 2,381]

This time I'd have to disagree. Both are good candidates.

Obama is a brilliant guy with some very good ideas. He is both perceptive and practical, and understands the complexity of the issues facing the country.

McCain is a fairly level-headed guy with a lot of common sense and a broad base of experience to bring to the presidency. His military background and Washington experience will help him a lot in the office of president.

Now, if anyone read the above and thought to themselves "gee, I agree with that one - but you are TOTALLY off base with the other one!" you may have been listening to the rhetoric a little too much. Both campaigns are doing their very best to make you think "mistake" when you think of either one.

Last presidential election cycle we had a choice between a proven failure as a president and a mediocre (at best) senator. This time we have two much better options.

[rhys 0]

You couldn't do worse than your current president....could you??

You guys need a little bit of socialism in your country.

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[ErricoMalatesta 0]

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This time I'd have to disagree. Both are good candidates.

Obama is a brilliant guy with some very good ideas. He is both perceptive and practical, and understands the complexity of the issues facing the country.

McCain is a fairly level-headed guy with a lot of common sense and a broad base of experience to bring to the presidency. His military background and Washington experience will help him a lot in the office of president.

Now, if anyone read the above and thought to themselves "gee, I agree with that one - but you are TOTALLY off base with the other one!" you may have been listening to the rhetoric a little too much. Both campaigns are doing their very best to make you think "mistake" when you think of either one.

Yeah they are great guys - both support Israel beyond what any rational person in the world would and talk about Iran with 'no options off the table' - the threat itself being an international crime let alone adhering to it.

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Last presidential election cycle we had a choice between a proven failure as a president and a mediocre (at best) senator. This time we have two much better options.

Yet all times you have a choice between two halves of US business power.

What can be said for choices? Ok one of them might go ahead and attack Iran or the other might attack Pakistan or one might, slightly more than the other, go back to focusing on dominating Central/South America.

Is that the society you want to live in? My skepticism is fairly widely shared with almost everyone I know and a lot of Americans I have met so I don't understand why you all (on the internet) still talk about the presidency as if it is serious business that delivers results for the domestic population and, as it tends to dominate us, the global population.

[JohnRich 4]

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What are we to do when ALL of our choices are wrong?

Grab your backpack and head off into the woods, where politics don't matter.

[pirana 0]

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As a foreigner I am not that unhappy with the candidates. Yes Obama is an "eat the rich" socialist and McCain is probably too old to really move with the changing international realities, but I really do believe that they are both men of high integrity. Either will be a large improvement over the war criminal you have in the seat now.

Agree. And I've never heard anyone else use that phrase, which I had on a t-shirt I bought back in the 70's.

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[Nightingale 0]

I don't like any of them, but I'll be voting for McCain. We have a democratic legislature, and therefore, we need a republican president to keep both sides balanced and not running amok with their own agendas. If the president is a different party than the majority of the legislature, only the really important stuff gets done.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Let's be practical - someone is going to win, so make your vote count toward helping someone who actually has a chance of getting into office. IMO, voting for a non-viable 3rd-party candidate - unless you specifically intend that vote to indirectly help a major-party candidate - is a wasted protest vote. "None of the Above" never appointed a Supreme Court justice or sent troops into combat.

Sorry, that's lame.

Nader voters didn't throw away their votes in 2000 - they told the Democratic Party they were tired of being taken for granted. Doesn't seem like the DNC learned, but if it keeps happening, they might actually do something for those votes. If the Greens and Libertarians only voted for the two major parties, nothing would prevent their centrist tendencies.
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This year, when you're choosing Obama or McCain, you're not choosing all of their policy platforms. Those will only get enacted with the help of a majority of Congress, and the absense of a fillibuster. In 1993, Clinton should have passed anything he wanted, but with only 57 Senators, he got remarkably little done. Couldn't even end the gay ban in the army.

IMO, if you really don't like either, pick Obama. Due to his inexperience, I don't think his reign will be a particularly productive one, and by switching parties, you'll sweep out the cronies in the White House. After 8 years in control, the arrogance/corruption tends to get bad. Seen in 1992 and 2000, and certainly right now. Cleaning house every 8 years is good.

[lawrocket 3]

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Are we really at the whim of whoever is voted into office?

Yep. That's how the system is set up. Pure democracy is a nice enough concept, but it's pretty unworkable to put everything up to popular vote.

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