QuoteQuoteThose who do not believe in the concept of sin do not typically judge others for sins. Of those who do believe in sin, some do judge others.
You dont have to believe in sin to judge someone. Do you think you are guilty of judging others? Yes or no?
Sure. There are a few posters on this site that I am constantly judging to be morons. That doesn't mean I think they're doing anything wrong; it just means I don't believe they're on the preferred side of the intelligence mean.
I've judged some singers to be tone deaf.
I've judged some well meaning roommates to be appalling cooks (and others to be excellent cooks).
Heck, I even helped judge a Physics Olympics on a couple different occasions.
That's not the same kind of judgement as those who judge others to be living their lives in such a way that they are damned to Hell.
Im not talking about the condemnation of hell or judging events, im talking about judgment. We carry judgment in the heart, it is sin the likes of all sin that darkens the heart and takes us further away from innocence and truth. Unless of course you dont believe in sin, then it is just a word that has nothing to do with the condition of the heart.
What do you think about the ego?
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QuoteIm not talking about the condemnation of hell or judging events, im talking about judgment. We carry judgment in the heart, it is sin the likes of all sin that darkens the heart and takes us further away from innocence and truth. Unless of course you dont believe in sin, then it is just a word that has nothing to do with the condition of the heart.
Perhaps you should define judgement precisely, because I don't believe in sin.
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Let's not change the subject just yet.
QuoteQuoteIm not talking about the condemnation of hell or judging events, im talking about judgment. We carry judgment in the heart, it is sin the likes of all sin that darkens the heart and takes us further away from innocence and truth. Unless of course you dont believe in sin, then it is just a word that has nothing to do with the condition of the heart.
Perhaps you should define judgement precisely, because I don't believe in sin.QuoteWhat do you think about the ego?
Let's not change the subject just yet.
Believe it or not, Ego is on the same plane as judgement. We judge others to be lesser than us because our ego defends that judgement. I have to admit, it is sort of difficult to define judgement precisely.
You dont believe in sin, thats ok, but you do believe in guilt right? Thats really all sin is, according to the bible. Remorse is only found in a pure and true heart. Those who reject remorse and follow the path of shamelessness and guiltlessness will only find themselves burying the guilt more and more until it is an unseen stain in the heart, which blackens it and hardens it, preventing the joy of love to enter. Asking for forgiveness and believing you are forgiven are two different things entirely.
If I had to try and define judgment I would say its the nature of holding someone else guilty for something.
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Nobody sent Hitler. He was a twisted, and unfortunately charismatic character who came up in a time of social and economic upheavel, offering simple solutions that promised a return to a mythical past that never existed. And desperate people went for it, and for him; hook, line, and stinker.
The problem I have with your proposition is that you're accepting Hagee's interpretation of scripture as a definitive source of Jewish history. It is not. For one thing, it is simply an ignorant and self serving interpretation of one single source, the Bible. (Oh boy, this is going to stir some people up.) But the Jews are more than capable of recording and interpreting their own history, and have done so, if we would take the time or trouble to look into it. One of the biggest problems in Christian - Jewish relations is that western culture has been too ready to accept without question the Christian interpretation of events around the Jewish people. This goes all the way back to the Jews' "rejection" of Christ as the Messiah, to blaming "the Jews" for Christ's death, and from there writing all Jews off as "Christ killers".
In fact, numero uno, Jesus was himself a Jew. His followers were one of many competing Jewish sects. They were a millenarian sect, which was foretelling the end of Roman rule in the Holy Land and the establishment of a thousand year kingdon of God to follow. When the Romans raized Jerusalem and slaughtered or enslaved every Jew they could get their hands on after the uprising of AD 70, there were virtually no Jewish followers of Christ left. The religion was basically reinvented by its Gentile believers, who effectively divorced themselves from the Jewish faith and community. And then the Christianity we know took shape in Greece, among Gentile Greek followers, who had their own strong anti-Semitic biases. It is in the Greek authored books of the New Testament that you start to see the really nasty references about "the Jews did this and the Jews did that...".
What happened to the Jews under Hitler is far too massive, complex and monstrous to be explained away by some wingnut preacher expounding on his interpretation of a single chapter from the Old Testament.
Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !
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If I had to try and define judgment I would say its the nature of holding someone else guilty for something.
Kind of hard to get rid of all that "sinful" judgment and still maintain a criminal justice system. Or do you make some kind of exception for that?
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If I had to try and define judgment I would say its the nature of holding someone else guilty for something.
Kind of hard to get rid of all that "sinful" judgment and still maintain a criminal justice system. Or do you make some kind of exception for that?
If someone is guilty of something, they are guilty. The criminal justice system is of the world and it has been around for a very long time, that is after all what allowed Jesus to be crucified. What I am telling you is of the spirit and you cannot understand things of the spirit while peering through the lens of the world, becasue all you see is what is in front of you.
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If I had to try and define judgment I would say its the nature of holding someone else guilty for something.
Kind of hard to get rid of all that "sinful" judgment and still maintain a criminal justice system. Or do you make some kind of exception for that?
If someone is guilty of something, they are guilty. The criminal justice system is of the world and it has been around for a very long time, that is after all what allowed Jesus to be crucified. What I am telling you is of the spirit and you cannot understand things of the spirit while peering through the lens of the world, becasue all you see is what is in front of you.
Very Christian of you to avoid answering my question.
Let's make it simple. Is the criminal justice system, which does exactly what you say is bad (judging people), acceptable to you or not?
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If I had to try and define judgment I would say its the nature of holding someone else guilty for something.
Kind of hard to get rid of all that "sinful" judgment and still maintain a criminal justice system. Or do you make some kind of exception for that?
If someone is guilty of something, they are guilty. The criminal justice system is of the world and it has been around for a very long time, that is after all what allowed Jesus to be crucified. What I am telling you is of the spirit and you cannot understand things of the spirit while peering through the lens of the world, becasue all you see is what is in front of you.
Very Christian of you to avoid answering my question.
Let's make it simple. Is the criminal justice system, which does exactly what you say is bad (judging people), acceptable to you or not?
It is not my job to judge anyone. If someone is guilty of something, then they are guilty. Our criminal justice system is far from perfect in its judgments and can be completely overrun with money, politics and the media. Is it acceptable how? Does it punish those who break its laws, yes, do I always agree with its descisons, NO. But the criminal justice system has NOTHING to do with guilt we carry in our hearts. That was the original direction of the conversation. If you want to have a thread on whether or not the criminal justice system is acceptable to believers and non believers alike, then start one, we are talking about guilt, sin, and judgment as it relates to a life in the spirit.
You dont have to believe in sin to judge someone. Do you think you are guilty of judging others? Yes or no?
Sure. There are a few posters on this site that I am constantly judging to be morons. That doesn't mean I think they're doing anything wrong; it just means I don't believe they're on the preferred side of the intelligence mean.
I've judged some singers to be tone deaf.
I've judged some well meaning roommates to be appalling cooks (and others to be excellent cooks).
Heck, I even helped judge a Physics Olympics on a couple different occasions.
That's not the same kind of judgement as those who judge others to be living their lives in such a way that they are damned to Hell.