FEELING MANUPILATED?

[namgrunt 0]

as I look at the results of SUPER DUPER EXTRA SPECIAL TUESDAY

CLINTON=socialist
Obama =who knows/change
MaCain = Liberal

now you get to pick your favorite poison go vote,wait your vote only counts after the delegates decide who it will be.

something has occured in out fine country,somewhere its changed to a politically correct,touchy feely mixed up nation of followers looking for a handout.

59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT
LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI)
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[lawrocket 3]

It's been that way since the 1930's.

We're just getting better at it.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[quade 3]

Only in this day and age could John McCain ever be called a "liberal" courting the "politically correct,touchy feely mixed up nation of followers".

While he might be left of the extreme right, is is not nor has he ever been what any reasonable person consider to be "politically correct" or "touchy feely". Anyone thinking McCain is "liberal" really ought to take a good hard look at where they themselves fall on the political spectrum.

Wow.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Only in this day and age could John McCain ever be called a "liberal" courting the "politically correct,touchy feely mixed up nation of followers".

In this day and age, Bill Clinton was a conservative with his wellfare reform and relatively balanced budget. Compare and contrast to Bush 43 with the largest ever (as a percentage of budget) increases in discretionary non-defense spending.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Clinton and Obama each got more votes than all of the GOP candidates combined. What does that tell you? That more people supporting Clinton and Obama (pretty much double across the board) got off their fat asses and got out and voted to make a difference.

If your favorite GOP candidate did not get the votes you wanted them to get, then you can only blame the people who fall into the demographic who would vote for these candidates since they never bothered to get out and vote.

or ... maybe you should come to the realization that enough people in America are waking up and realizing that the ultra right wing evangelical neo-con politics we've seen in the last 8 years has done severe damage to the USA and it is time to change.

But stop whining that so and so conservative candidate did not get the support you wanted them to get. It's called democracy. People voted the way they wanted to vote. There was plenty of choices to make.

PS: I am fiscally conservative. But I draw the line at being a conservative when evangelicals tell me that I have to follow their religion and their morals.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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something has occured in out fine country,somewhere its changed to a politically correct,touchy feely mixed up nation of followers looking for a handout.

Obama aside, who is predominately supporting Clinton? Women ... 1/2 the population is female. Maybe it is you who is out of touch with the feelings of your wives, girlfriends, mothers, grandmothers, cousins and sisters. Has it ever occurred to you that women are standing up and thinking the conservative model of Reagan/Bush style of leadership is not the country they want to be a part of. Or does their vote not count?

You are witnessing democracy in action cup-cake. Deal with it.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[masterblaster72 0]

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MaCain = Liberal

Why, in your own opinion, do you consider him a liberal? Curious to know.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[lawrocket 3]

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something has occured in out fine country,somewhere its changed to a politically correct,touchy feely mixed up nation of followers looking for a handout.

Obama aside, who is predominately supporting Clinton? Women ... 1/2 the population is female. Maybe it is you who is out of touch with the feelings of your wives, girlfriends, mothers, grandmothers, cousins and sisters. Has it ever occurred to you that women are standing up and thinking the conservative model of Bush style of leadership is not the country they want to be a part of. Or does their vote not count?

My wife was flabbergasted at the support Clinton received. She, like me, thinks that out of all the potential candidates from a major party Obama is the best choice.

But I am viewing this election as either a step back in relations or the curtain being pulled back. we have blacks voting for blacks, women voting for women. Hispanics are voting against Obama.

But there are other splits. Older women support Clinton much more than younger women. Older MEN are more towards Clinton than Obama.

Then we've got McCain - the subject of outright disdain from hardcore conservatives.

These candidates are all divisive. They clobber each other and balkanize.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[masterblaster72 0]

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These candidates are all divisive. They clobber each other and balkanize.

I disagree -- McCain is *not* divisive, which is precisely why ultra-conservatives do not like him.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

I don't want Clinton to win (you think I want the USA to be lead by 2 families for 24-28 years). But that doesn't mean that I will whine and complain if she does win. If enough people vote for [insert candidate name here] and the books were not cooked, then that is democracy in action. If a huge demographic of the population wants to change the status quo of how things work in Washington, then their right to democracy must be respected.

If people don't like the candidates, it is not too late change it. Get out in force and vote in the remaining primaries, or lobby for [so and so] to run as an independent. But don't sit back and whine that there are no options. There has been plenty of choice this time around.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[lawrocket 3]

McCain is trying to be above it. But he's not afraid to launch a counterattack. Nothing wrong with that.

The reason why his "conservative credentials" are questioned are his policies on immigration (which I support) and other things, like Campaign Finance. He's a more independent mind than most of the hardcore like.

THey'd rather see a Huckabee whom they think will do more things that they agree with.

And face it - the Republican revolution ended a couple of years ago. WHat the hell is Limbaugh gonna do to keep his ratings?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Clinton and Obama each got more votes than all of the GOP candidates combined. What does that tell you? That more people supporting Clinton and Obama (pretty much double across the board) got off their fat asses and got out and voted to make a difference.

That more people who list Democrat, independant, or decline to state on their voter registration forms cared who got the party nomination for the 2008 presidential ticket and believed their vote could make a difference.

[lawrocket 3]

Oh, absolutely. I've never managed to vote for a presidential candidate who actually won. Part of my problem is my agreement with the dems about 40% of the time, my agreement with the GOP about 40% of the time, and my disagreement with both about 20% of the time.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

I have similar problems in Canada. I currently view the "Conservative Party of Canada" as the lesser of all evils. But even they do things that make me shake my head. I am seriously considering spoiling my ballot next time around (which could be this Spring, Summer or Fall). I know it is pretty much a wasted vote.

Too bad "Libertarian" has never really caught on in either country.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[Amazon 7]

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While he might be left of the extreme right, is is not nor has he ever been what any reasonable person consider to be "politically correct" or "touchy feely". Anyone thinking McCain is "liberal" really ought to take a good hard look at where they themselves fall on the political spectrum.

Wow.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Right on

[PLFXpert 0]

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Part of my problem is my agreement with the dems about 40% of the time, my agreement with the GOP about 40% of the time, and my disagreement with both about 20% of the time.

Oooo, I love percentages--especially when they're comprised in a pie chart.

Mine would be:

Agree with Dems 30.9%
Republicans 42.6%
Disagree with both 26.5%

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[jakee 1,254]

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Agree with Dems 30.9%
Republicans 42.6%
Disagree with both 26.5%

Agree with what they say they'll do or what they end up doing? Important distinction

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

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I disagree -- McCain is *not* divisive, which is precisely why ultra-conservatives do not like him.

McCain has been incredibly divisive within his party, so much so that he looked dead in the polls just a couple months ago because so many Rebublicans would vote for anyone but him.

The insiders hate him even more, because he didn't stand aside in 2000 for what they considered their winning horse.

And his attempts to please all sides on free speech and guns rights pleased no one.

[PLFXpert 0]

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Agree with what they say they'll do or what they end up doing? Important distinction

Touche'.

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[Amazon 7]

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The insiders hate him even more, because he didn't stand aside in 2000 for what they considered their winning horse.

Yeah it was ibnteresting to see the Rove Slime machine in action.... his out of wedlock black baby etc....I am wondering when the R Party is going to turn the Rove Slime Machine on for all of us to watch

[Muenkel 0]

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Agree with what they say they'll do or what they end up doing? Important distinction

Dammit jakee! This is the 3rd post of yours that I have agreed with.

I'm really frightened now.

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Chris

[jakee 1,254]

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Agree with what they say they'll do or what they end up doing? Important distinction

Dammit jakee! This is the 3rd post of yours that I have agreed with.

I've been reading your diary

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Muenkel 0]

I see McCain as a moderate, definitely not a liberal.

The thing that drives me nuts is that we try to put everyone in a well defined box (Far left, liberal, moderate, neo-con, conservative, libertarian, etc.) I like to think of myself as an individual thinker. I prioritize the issues according to their importance to me and hopefully find a candidate that most fits my ideology. I may find candidate X stands for many of the issues I stand for, but they may be low priority for me; therefore moving candidate Y ahead of them.

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Chris

[quade 3]

Ever see one of those gigantic mix boards in a recording studio with a bajillion little sliders, one for each microphone in a huge orchestra?

Every issue is like that; some are louder than others and every one of them gets assigned to not only a left or right channel, but with the new 7.1 surround sound . . . uh . . . I freekin' lost count.

So yeah, it's a wide spectrum of sound coming from a lot of different directions, but when push comes to shove all that sound gets directed down two little ear holes. So, a truly masterful mixer isn't the guy the cranks it all up and pans it to one side, but rather is able to control as much of it as he can and bring a mix together that will appeal to both sides.

Now, 'cuse me while I get back to Guitar Hero III.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Richards 0]

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I have similar problems in Canada. I currently view the "Conservative Party of Canada" as the lesser of all evils. But even they do things that make me shake my head. I am seriously considering spoiling my ballot next time around (which could be this Spring, Summer or Fall). I know it is pretty much a wasted vote.

They are not doing a bad job at all. As for spoiling the vote that could likely benefit the liberal party because the people who are likely to vote liberal will certainly be voting. Not having a party in charge is not an option so at the very least go with what you perceive as being the least worst.

I often wonder what the abstainers think they are accomplishing? Do you think that Harper will go "Oh my gosh....CanuckinUSA did not show up to vote! Our voter is disenchanted with the system! We will immediately have to clean up our act! As a matter of fact I will call up Stephan Dion and explain the situation too him and he will be so concerned that he will agree to cooperate with us to reafirm voter confidence in our government !"?

Trust me. Many people with ideas entirely contrary to what Canada stands for will certainly be showing up to vote for the Liberal party or even the NDP. Would you like Sharia law? Somebody has to get their way....if not you then who. I know it sounds a bit like a soap box speach but the right to vote is something we in the west are incredibly lucky to have. If you do not vote then someone who has their own ideas for Canada certainly will. If you want the government to serve you better then become the squeaky wheel. The reason you are not happy is that someone who was willing to be the squeaky wheel got the government to bend to their will and now you are paying for it. Your response to this is to become even more removed from having influence?

Nobody said democracy was easy.

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Too bad "Libertarian" has never really caught on in either country.

They have some great sounding ideas but they also have some that only sound good in discussion and may not work out as well in reality. besides if they became mainstream then we would have the same problem with them because at the end of the day established political parties breed corruption.

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.