jakee 1,254 #1 November 1, 2007 From the BBC QuoteLondon's Metropolitan police force has been found guilty of endangering the public over the fatal shooting of a man officers mistook for a suicide bomber. The force broke health and safety laws when officers pursued Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes to a Tube station and shot him seven times, a jury found. It was fined £175,000 with £385,000 costs over the 22 July 2005 shooting.... During the trial, the jury heard that Scotland Yard commanders had made a string of errors on 22 July that culminated in an unwarranted risk to the public and ultimately the death of Mr de Menezes.... Clare Montgomery QC, prosecuting, said the situation had worsened because senior officers failed to keep to their own agreed plan, while firearms teams were both poorly briefed and in the wrong locations. This meant that it became impossible to effectively stop the suspected suicide bomber before he boarded a bus and headed for the Underground. Also, the prosecution's alleged 19 failings of the Met. Add to that the existing report that Police Commissioner Ian Blair had been kept in the dark about the incident by his own officers (can't lie to the press if you don't know what's going on)and it starts to sound like a bit of a clusterfuckDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #2 November 2, 2007 I'm just surprised that of all the laws on the statute book the only thing they could make stick was a bloody health and safety charge. (I was about to say heads should roll, but it struck me as a bit distasteful given what happened to De Menezes). A £175,000 fine? That'll sting for a force with a budget of millions....This is/was a clusterfuck in bed with a cock-up and a balls-up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #3 November 2, 2007 Quote A £175,000 fine? That'll sting for a force with a budget of millions.... The taxpayer you mean? Fining a public service industry seems like a backwards step to me. How is a reduction in an already stretched buget going to improve things? The DeMenezes incident was a fuck-up alright, so figure out what caused it and learn the lesson; fire people if need be. But simply taking away the resource the service needs to do the job means they'll be even further stretched. And that means more fuck-ups. It's a bullshit result that will do nothing but harm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #4 November 2, 2007 Quote A £175,000 fine? That'll sting for a force with a budget of millions.... Yeah, the article states that the judge noted that desire for a large fine has to be weighted against the impact that it would have on the Met's future effectiveness. You just can't cripple the entire force in the name of justice. Amazing that it looks like Ian Blair is going to keep h job as wellDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #5 December 5, 2008 Update:No unlawful killing in death of Brazilian "Jurors weighing evidence in a public inquest into the shooting death of a Brazilian man mistaken for a terrorist cannot find that he was unlawfully killed, a judge said Tuesday."Source: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/12/02/europe/EU-Britain-Brazilian-Shot.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #6 December 5, 2008 he shouldn't have even been in the country.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #7 December 6, 2008 Quotehe shouldn't have even been in the country. Which has exactly what to do with the actions of the police?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #8 December 6, 2008 Well if he hadn't have been there they couldn't have shot him could they Another example of illegal immigrants costing the tax payer a bloody fortune. They should invoice his family. Actually that would be a waste of time, invoice the Brazilian government for the cost of the investigation, the Police time wasted and the loss of the officers concerned during their suspension period along with any costs involved to other members of the public and ant councilling fees for the officers concerned. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #9 December 6, 2008 No, they would have just shot the next brown lokoing guy that wandered out of the building. What does him being an illegal immigrant have to do with the legality of the Met's actions?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
