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But I thought Fuhrer Daley has made the homeland safe with his edicts...

Dumb shit like this is why I should be allowed to CCW in Chicago. They're criminals--they didn't care that carrying was illegal. The only thing missing here is a bystander...
Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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But I thought Fuhrer Daley has made the homeland safe with his edicts...

Dumb shit like this is why I should be allowed to CCW in Chicago. They're criminals--they didn't care that carrying was illegal. The only thing missing here is a bystander...



Why, do you have a sudden yearning to walk down the 7200 block of S. Talman?
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But I thought Fuhrer Daley has made the homeland safe with his edicts...

Dumb shit like this is why I should be allowed to CCW in Chicago. They're criminals--they didn't care that carrying was illegal. The only thing missing here is a bystander...



Why, do you have a sudden yearning to walk down the 7200 block of S. Talman?



I'm sure someone does. Do you think we should avoid some sections of cities and just let the gangs control them?

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Well since firearms aren't allowed, then you might opt for this:
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/

(I moved out of Nationalist Socialist Chicago in '96)



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But I thought Fuhrer Daley has made the homeland safe with his edicts...

Dumb shit like this is why I should be allowed to CCW in Chicago. They're criminals--they didn't care that carrying was illegal. The only thing missing here is a bystander...



Why, do you have a sudden yearning to walk down the 7200 block of S. Talman?



I'm sure someone does. Do you think we should avoid some sections of cities and just let the gangs control them?



The city is very effectively cleaning up the gang ridden neighborhoods. I don't think exAFO or any other vigilante will help matters very much - and most probably will make things much worse.
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The city is very effectively cleaning up the gang ridden neighborhoods.



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I don't think exAFO or any other vigilante will help matters very much - and most probably will make things much worse.



God forbid someone should have a way to protect themselves against street scum...
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But I thought Fuhrer Daley has made the homeland safe with his edicts...

Dumb shit like this is why I should be allowed to CCW in Chicago. They're criminals--they didn't care that carrying was illegal. The only thing missing here is a bystander...



Why, do you have a sudden yearning to walk down the 7200 block of S. Talman?



I'm sure someone does. Do you think we should avoid some sections of cities and just let the gangs control them?



The city is very effectively cleaning up the gang ridden neighborhoods. I don't think exAFO or any other vigilante will help matters very much - and most probably will make things much worse.



Vigilantes=bad. No disagreement there.
But citizens carrying a means to protect themselves are far different from vigilantes.

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But I thought Fuhrer Daley has made the homeland safe with his edicts...

Dumb shit like this is why I should be allowed to CCW in Chicago. They're criminals--they didn't care that carrying was illegal. The only thing missing here is a bystander...



Why, do you have a sudden yearning to walk down the 7200 block of S. Talman?



I'm sure someone does. Do you think we should avoid some sections of cities and just let the gangs control them?



The city is very effectively cleaning up the gang ridden neighborhoods. I don't think exAFO or any other vigilante will help matters very much - and most probably will make things much worse.



Vigilantes=bad. No disagreement there.
But citizens carrying a means to protect themselves are far different from vigilantes.



I'm still interested as to why "law abiding citizens" would wish to go there, unless they are not so law abiding as they claim and wish to trade in some illicit substances.
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But I thought Fuhrer Daley has made the homeland safe with his edicts...

Dumb shit like this is why I should be allowed to CCW in Chicago. They're criminals--they didn't care that carrying was illegal. The only thing missing here is a bystander...



Why, do you have a sudden yearning to walk down the 7200 block of S. Talman?



I'm sure someone does. Do you think we should avoid some sections of cities and just let the gangs control them?



The city is very effectively cleaning up the gang ridden neighborhoods. I don't think exAFO or any other vigilante will help matters very much - and most probably will make things much worse.



Vigilantes=bad. No disagreement there.
But citizens carrying a means to protect themselves are far different from vigilantes.



I'm still interested as to why "law abiding citizens" would wish to go there, unless they are not so law abiding as they claim and wish to trade in some illicit substances.



I wonder the same thing. But until a law is broken the "why" is irrelevant.

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I'm still interested as to why "law abiding citizens" would wish to go there, unless they are not so law abiding as they claim and wish to trade in some illicit substances.



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I'm still interested as to why "law abiding citizens" would wish to go there, unless they are not so law abiding as they claim and wish to trade in some illicit substances.



Because it's still a free country, and I should not be scared by criminals into not going into a particular neighborhood. Perhaps I, or a friend or family member live(s) there?
Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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I'm still interested as to why "law abiding citizens" would wish to go there, unless they are not so law abiding as they claim and wish to trade in some illicit substances.



Maybe they live there.



Well, he *does* say that it's safe to walk in Chicago... those guys must be smuggling guns in from Missouri...
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But I thought Fuhrer Daley has made the homeland safe with his edicts...

Dumb shit like this is why I should be allowed to CCW in Chicago. They're criminals--they didn't care that carrying was illegal. The only thing missing here is a bystander...



Why, do you have a sudden yearning to walk down the 7200 block of S. Talman?



I'm sure someone does. Do you think we should avoid some sections of cities and just let the gangs control them?



The city is very effectively cleaning up the gang ridden neighborhoods. I don't think exAFO or any other vigilante will help matters very much - and most probably will make things much worse.



Vigilantes=bad. No disagreement there.
But citizens carrying a means to protect themselves are far different from vigilantes.



I'm still interested as to why "law abiding citizens" would wish to go there, unless they are not so law abiding as they claim and wish to trade in some illicit substances.



I see your point here sir kallend. But it is still an example of the convoluted way you debate.
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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But I thought Fuhrer Daley has made the homeland safe with his edicts...

Dumb shit like this is why I should be allowed to CCW in Chicago. They're criminals--they didn't care that carrying was illegal. The only thing missing here is a bystander...



Why, do you have a sudden yearning to walk down the 7200 block of S. Talman?



I'm sure someone does. Do you think we should avoid some sections of cities and just let the gangs control them?



The city is very effectively cleaning up the gang ridden neighborhoods. I don't think exAFO or any other vigilante will help matters very much - and most probably will make things much worse.



Vigilantes=bad. No disagreement there.
But citizens carrying a means to protect themselves are far different from vigilantes.



I'm still interested as to why "law abiding citizens" would wish to go there, unless they are not so law abiding as they claim and wish to trade in some illicit substances.



I see your point here sir kallend. But it is still an example of the convoluted way you debate.



There are high crime areas in most big cities in the USA, including those in CCW states like FL and TX.

Does it make more sense to (a) avoid those areas altogether, or (b) boldly walk through the area because you have a concealed gun and feel invincible?
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There are high crime areas in most big cities in the USA, including those in CCW states like FL and TX.

Does it make more sense to (a) avoid those areas altogether, or (b) boldly walk through the area because you have a concealed gun and feel invincible?



You seem to imply that it's an either/or solution...
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1. the first amendment of the constituation says "right to bare arms" End of story. It doesn'r say right to bare shotguns, AK's, pump actions, and whatever else your heart desires. Which brings me to my next point:...some one please explain to me how and why, in Chicago, you can own all of the above, except a handgun. Yet, I drive 2, 5, 10 miles in any direction and can legally own a handgun. Yeah...Go figure that one out :S

It makes no sense why someone can own a shotgun, but not a handgun. Furthermore, people who use crutches to walk, such as myself have no way to protect themselves with a long barrel type weapon if someone were to break in. If I had wife and kids to worry about, how on God's green earth would I protect them?... That's why in my house, you will always find: 1, an alarm system, 2, a pair of big dogs and possibly a gun...in that order No, I don't believe nor promote violence, I just want to be able to protect myself from the whack-jobs that do.

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I'm still interested as to why "law abiding citizens" would wish to go there, unless they are not so law abiding as they claim and wish to trade in some illicit substances.



Personally I have no wish to go there, and every city has a place where "you don't go there". Unfortunately a trend I have noticed "at least in Toronto" is that the problems that used to exist solely in those bad neighborhoods seem to be encroaching into every neighborhood. It seems that with the passage of time we seem to be regularly adding new streets to the "do not go there" list. Furthermore even if you do not go there, you still run the risk that someone from there, may be in your neighborhood for a crime of opportunity. If they would stay there, I might be thrilled to walk around my own neighborhood defenceless.

I am not sure why the desire to have the means to protect oneself is always seen as being synonymous with not using ones head to avoid trouble, and a desire to act out some sort of Charles Bronson vigilante fantasy. It seems tantamount to saying someone who wears a seatbelt doesn't plan to drive defensively.

I used to always beleive that if one used their head they could avoid trouble and not need to defend themselves but I almost learned the hard way on a few occasions that this is not always so.

Is there a middle ground between pro-gun vs anti-gun. Granted you used to be a cop so I feel at somewhat of a disadvantage in this argument but is there not some merit in a rational non-aggressive person wanting to have a means of protecting themselves if all else fails?
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1. the first second amendment of the constituation says "right to bare bear arms" End of story. It doesn'r say right to bare shotguns, AK's, pump actions, and whatever else your heart desires.



By that logic, the first amendment (I corrected your whups up there) only applies to quill pens and hand presses...
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I am not sure why the desire to have the means to protect oneself is always seen as being synonymous with not using ones head to avoid trouble, and a desire to act out some sort of Charles Bronson vigilante fantasy. It seems tantamount to saying someone who wears a seatbelt doesn't plan to drive defensively.



That was a very good poit and I agree with you wholeheartidly. My somewhat pro gun stance was not say we should be dirity hary gun ho types; no...I was just saing its an option that should be made availible if all else fails. Unfortunetely, no matter where you go nowadays you never can be to safe. Case and point: I live in a good part of Chicago, nonetheless, a little over a year ago I was nearly carjacked while parked in front of my house. Furthermore, cameras on the street are EVERYWHEREl, and although that can be a good thing because the presence of survalance devices can deturr not only crime, but any potential crime, it can also mean that the area is no longer considered safe.

I'd be interested to learn how high, or low is the cime rate in Texas, Arizona and any other place where its legal to carry a weapon with you. On the one hand, you run the risk of increased violence, and on the other any criminal is conscious of that fact that his potential victim may be armed thus not commiting the intended act. Any thoughts?
Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself -

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1. the first second amendment of the constituation says "right to bare bear arms" End of story. It doesn'r say right to bare shotguns, AK's, pump actions, and whatever else your heart desires.



By that logic, the first amendment (I corrected your whups up there) only applies to quill pens and hand presses...



What I meant was, if you could have all of the above you should also have the right to own a handgun.
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1. the first second amendment of the constituation says "right to bare bear arms" End of story. It doesn'r say right to bare shotguns, AK's, pump actions, and whatever else your heart desires.



By that logic, the first amendment (I corrected your whups up there) only applies to quill pens and hand presses...



What I meant was, if you could have all of the above you should also have the right to own a handgun.



Agreed.
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But I thought Fuhrer Daley has made the homeland safe with his edicts...

Dumb shit like this is why I should be allowed to CCW in Chicago. They're criminals--they didn't care that carrying was illegal. The only thing missing here is a bystander...



Why, do you have a sudden yearning to walk down the 7200 block of S. Talman?



I'm sure someone does. Do you think we should avoid some sections of cities and just let the gangs control them?



The city is very effectively cleaning up the gang ridden neighborhoods. I don't think exAFO or any other vigilante will help matters very much - and most probably will make things much worse.



Vigilantes=bad. No disagreement there.
But citizens carrying a means to protect themselves are far different from vigilantes.



I'm still interested as to why "law abiding citizens" would wish to go there, unless they are not so law abiding as they claim and wish to trade in some illicit substances.



I see your point here sir kallend. But it is still an example of the convoluted way you debate.



There are high crime areas in most big cities in the USA, including those in CCW states like FL and TX.

Does it make more sense to (a) avoid those areas altogether, or (b) boldly walk through the area because you have a concealed gun and feel invincible?



I conceded your point. What more do you want?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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