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jakee 1,254
QuoteDon't get too caught up in the details.
You're the first one to bring up the details, and they are obviously bogus.
Fake stats like those just muddy the waters and harm your cause.
QuoteIf you really want to challenge the statistics, why don't you do a survey in the women's forum.
That would be an incredibly bad way to try and collect meaningful information.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
DFWAJG 4
QuoteQuoteDon't get too caught up in the details.
You're the first one to bring up the details, and they are obviously bogus.
Fake stats like those just muddy the waters and harm your cause.QuoteIf you really want to challenge the statistics, why don't you do a survey in the women's forum.
That would be an incredibly bad way to try and collect meaningful information.
These statistics are NOT bogus. the education of america and the world is Bogus. Do you know how Freud ended up with his Electra/Oedpis theories? Initially, he reported that his patients had been sexually abused as children. The public was outraged, so he changed his theory that the children "fantasized" about having sex with their father's, mothers.
If child molestation is so rare, than why have I been abused by three family members, my mother was abused by an adult neighbor (she was 5 years old), and my Great Grandmother was having sex with her thirteen year old son? Does that sound rare to you?
Child molestation is not uncommon. It is very common. Last year, I had my own practice (psyciatry). of my 60 regular patients, about 90% had been molested at a young age. In all of my years of training, most of my patients have been molested.
This information is not fake. Just do a google search for statistics on child molestation. you'll come up with many reliable sources with similar stats. Contact your local women's shelter, or rape centers, and ask them for literature on statics. You're in for an eye-opening experience.
I have been studying the subject since I was 18. I am now 38. So for 20 years, I've been looking at the data. It hasn't changed much.
But don't believe me, my having a medical and degree and 6 and half years of post graduate training in family practice and psychiatry. or someone who has an interest in forensic psychiatry and has been working in the California Department of corrections, who sees child molesters 5 days a week. Don't believe me.
Here are two sources for you:
Medical Evaluation of Suspected Child Abuse
Carole Jenny, MBA, MD
Children's Hospital
1056 E. l9th Ave., Mail Stop B 138
Denver CO 80218
303-861-6919
Martin Finkel, DO
UMDNJ
301 S. Central Plaza, Laurel Rd., #2100
Stratford NJ 08084
609-346-7032
Call these experts and ask them about the stats. the latter was my mentor in med school. It's because of people who don't want to learn about how common this heinous crime to children is, that the abuse continues. I challenge you to challenge me on the stats. Prove me wrong. I would love it if you do. Because that would mean that you actually did have an interest in learning something about this topic. Good luck.
jakee 1,254
QuoteI challenge you to challenge me on the stats.
I challenge you to show me where you got this stat. "the average child molester molests 56 children."
It was not on either of the links you posted earlier, and was in fact flat out contradicted by one of the quotes on those links.
"3 in 10 child victimizers reported that they had committed their crimes against multiple victims
BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991"
That quote has a source. Yours don't. Who should I believe?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
billvon 2,397
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>of my 60 regular patients, about 90% had been molested at a young
>age. In all of my years of training, most of my patients have been
>molested.
Right, but that's something of a skewed sample. It's like a mechanic saying that 90% of the cars he sees are broken, so cars are generally very unreliable.
>age. In all of my years of training, most of my patients have been
>molested.
Right, but that's something of a skewed sample. It's like a mechanic saying that 90% of the cars he sees are broken, so cars are generally very unreliable.
Royd 0
From previous threads, I'm of the understanding that we are just one step above animals and really have no ability to control our natural urges.QuoteIf child molestation is so rare, than why have I been abused by three family members, my mother was abused by an adult neighbor (she was 5 years old), and my Great Grandmother was having sex with her thirteen year old son? Does that sound rare to you?
Child molestation is not uncommon. It is very common. Last year, I had my own practice (psyciatry). of my 60 regular patients, about 90% had been molested at a young age. In all of my years of training, most of my patients have been molested.
How can we possibly tell someone that something is not right to do and expect them to take the advice to heart?
If we really don't believe that telling ordinary teenagers that random acts of sex will potentially screw up their lives, how can we expect to convince someone with a demented mind not to follow their urges?
DFWAJG 4
as I posted before Jakee, these statistics haven't changed much in the past 20 years. I got the average childmolester molests 56 children from a Hilraudo (sp?) special years ago. the other statistics that I posted have been in the literature for years and years and years. at this point, they are common knowledge. as I said, I urge you to look up the stats yourself, as it seems that you don't believe me about how common child molestation is.
Call up Martin Finkel, DO and ask the office for stats, and info. Dr. Finkel is one of the top experts in the US on child molestation.
Call up Martin Finkel, DO and ask the office for stats, and info. Dr. Finkel is one of the top experts in the US on child molestation.
DFWAJG 4
billvon, my point about sharing this info with all, is to let everyone know how common child molestation is, as in an earlier post, someone felt that the statistics were too high. Much of the world has been in denial as to child molestation. It is such a selfish, shameful act, that no one wants to admit that this happens, and happens often, to alot of children.
billvon 2,397
> If we really don't believe that telling ordinary teenagers that random
>acts of sex will potentially screw up their lives, how can we expect to
>convince someone with a demented mind not to follow their urges?
I think you put one too many negatives in there; it's unclear who you're denigrating.
>acts of sex will potentially screw up their lives, how can we expect to
>convince someone with a demented mind not to follow their urges?
I think you put one too many negatives in there; it's unclear who you're denigrating.
DFWAJG 4
Quote
From previous threads, I'm of the understanding that we are just one step above animals and really have no ability to control our natural urges.QuoteIf child molestation is so rare, than why have I been abused by three family members, my mother was abused by an adult neighbor (she was 5 years old), and my Great Grandmother was having sex with her thirteen year old son? Does that sound rare to you?
Child molestation is not uncommon. It is very common. Last year, I had my own practice (psyciatry). of my 60 regular patients, about 90% had been molested at a young age. In all of my years of training, most of my patients have been molested.
How can we possibly tell someone that something is not right to do and expect them to take the advice to heart?
If we really don't believe that telling ordinary teenagers that random acts of sex will potentially screw up their lives, how can we expect to convince someone with a demented mind not to follow their urges?
all the more reason why these people need to be kept from further hurting society.
QuoteI urge you to look up the stats yourself, as it seems that you don't believe me about how common child molestation is.
Did you know that 94% of all children have either been raped, sodomized, lured, impregnated, or have heard a dirty word?
First Class Citizen Twice Over
DFWAJG 4
Child molesters come from all walks of life...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/04/27/BAG0LPGT9E4.DTL
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/04/27/BAG0LPGT9E4.DTL
DFWAJG 4
Here: http://www.childluresprevention.com/about/kwooden.asp
A Profile of the Child Molester
by Ken Wooden
During my two decades of work as an investigative reporter, I interviewed hundreds of convicted child molesters in prisons across America. My objective was to uncover how they had lured children and teens into abuse and worse. My intention was also to generate a criminal profile that could be shared with parents and law enforcement. Instead, I found child molesters and abductors to be a diverse group that possesses no tidy criminal profile.
So who are these sexual predators?
Males and Females
Young Adults, Middle-Aged Adults, and Seniors
Upper Class, Middle Class, and Disadvantaged
All Races & Ethnicities
Vocationally Diverse
In short, pedophilia, or adult sexual attraction to children, does not discriminate by race, gender, class, or age.
One child pornography sting operation by the U.S. Justice Department and Customs Postal Inspectors resulted in well over two hundred arrests. The occupations of those arrested was a virtual rainbow of American life, representing 44% of all occupations listed by the U.S. Department of Labor.
How many child molesters live in the United States?
Approximately 400,000 convicted pedophiles currently reside in the United States, according to Department of Justice estimates.*
Are there really female child molesters?
Yes. A 2000 statistical report by the US Department of Justice* found that female offenders victimized:
12% of victims under the age of 6
6% of victims ages 6 - 12
3% of victims ages 12 - 17
How many victims does a child molester average?
Interviews guaranteeing complete confidentiality and immunity from prosecution, conducted by Emory University psychiatrist Dr. Gene Abel*, uncovered that:
Male offenders who abused girls had an average of 52 victims each. I said 56-close enough
Men who molested boys had an astonishing average of 150 victims each.
Only 3% of these crimes had ever been detected. so if only 3% of these crimes have been detected, 97% of molestations have gone undetected, which could very well lead to skewed data
How do child molesters get into situations where they can exploit children?
Due to the nature of their sexual addiction, few pedophiles are able to resist their powerful urges to initiate contact with children and will go to great lengths to do so. Common strategies include:
Befriending parents, particularly single parents, to gain access to their children.
Offering babysitting services to overextended parents or caregivers.
Taking jobs and participating in community events that involve children.
Attending sporting events for children and/or offering to coach children's sports.
Volunteering in youth organizations, offering to chaperone overnight trips.
Loitering in places children frequent - playgrounds, malls, game arcades, etc.
Spending time in Internet gaming and social communities, learning the online interests and lingo of youngsters.
Becoming foster parents.
bold comments are mine
A Profile of the Child Molester
by Ken Wooden
During my two decades of work as an investigative reporter, I interviewed hundreds of convicted child molesters in prisons across America. My objective was to uncover how they had lured children and teens into abuse and worse. My intention was also to generate a criminal profile that could be shared with parents and law enforcement. Instead, I found child molesters and abductors to be a diverse group that possesses no tidy criminal profile.
So who are these sexual predators?
Males and Females
Young Adults, Middle-Aged Adults, and Seniors
Upper Class, Middle Class, and Disadvantaged
All Races & Ethnicities
Vocationally Diverse
In short, pedophilia, or adult sexual attraction to children, does not discriminate by race, gender, class, or age.
One child pornography sting operation by the U.S. Justice Department and Customs Postal Inspectors resulted in well over two hundred arrests. The occupations of those arrested was a virtual rainbow of American life, representing 44% of all occupations listed by the U.S. Department of Labor.
How many child molesters live in the United States?
Approximately 400,000 convicted pedophiles currently reside in the United States, according to Department of Justice estimates.*
Are there really female child molesters?
Yes. A 2000 statistical report by the US Department of Justice* found that female offenders victimized:
12% of victims under the age of 6
6% of victims ages 6 - 12
3% of victims ages 12 - 17
How many victims does a child molester average?
Interviews guaranteeing complete confidentiality and immunity from prosecution, conducted by Emory University psychiatrist Dr. Gene Abel*, uncovered that:
Male offenders who abused girls had an average of 52 victims each. I said 56-close enough
Men who molested boys had an astonishing average of 150 victims each.
Only 3% of these crimes had ever been detected. so if only 3% of these crimes have been detected, 97% of molestations have gone undetected, which could very well lead to skewed data
How do child molesters get into situations where they can exploit children?
Due to the nature of their sexual addiction, few pedophiles are able to resist their powerful urges to initiate contact with children and will go to great lengths to do so. Common strategies include:
Befriending parents, particularly single parents, to gain access to their children.
Offering babysitting services to overextended parents or caregivers.
Taking jobs and participating in community events that involve children.
Attending sporting events for children and/or offering to coach children's sports.
Volunteering in youth organizations, offering to chaperone overnight trips.
Loitering in places children frequent - playgrounds, malls, game arcades, etc.
Spending time in Internet gaming and social communities, learning the online interests and lingo of youngsters.
Becoming foster parents.
bold comments are mine
DFWAJG 4
or have heard a dirty word?
Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It frustrates you and annoys the pig.
Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It frustrates you and annoys the pig.
jakee 1,254
QuoteFrom previous threads, I'm of the understanding that we are just one step above animals and really have no ability to control our natural urges.
How can we possibly tell someone that something is not right to do and expect them to take the advice to heart?
Are you honestly trying to make this into an 'evolution is evil' debate?
Is there anything you won't willfully misunderstand?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
Even then the culture of silence and denial will keep many from saying that it happened to them.
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