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One thing for sure, the pussies in the European Union sure as hell won't do anything to quell tyranical dictators around the world.



And, which tyranical dictators has the US taken care off? How many tyranical dictators has the US supported?




Ever heard of Hitler?



Yes, he committed suicide in his bunker just before it was overrun by RUSSIAN troops.

The US supported Somoza, Marcos, Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, and the Shah, among others.
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Ok, I'll be happy to.

1) You're wrong. Was Iraq in a civil war prior to 2003? No.


Was Iraq run by a dictator?...yes...does this limit the rights of human beings in terms of freedom?...yes


2) Was there suicide bombings prior to 2003? No.

Not sure this is totally true (there are a lot more since the invasion), but the mere fact that the people are willing to do it still shows a lack of care about the lives of others. BTW, the US does not promote it nor does the US have it happening on a daily basis in their country and the hope is that one day the people whom believe in suicide bombings are done in good faith will realize there is nothing good about killing innocent people.

(I also hope that the US can stop killing innocent civilians as well when they perform their attacks...I truly think it is awful)

Where did America earn the right to physically force democracy throughout the world? Is that equality? Democracy even??

If any country poses a threat to the US or its allies, , they have the right to stop the threat (or attempt to stop the threat) as does every country. At that point it is a kill or be killed situation. (this should be the last resort if talks among the countries can't resolve the situation)

Is hitting urban areas full of women and children and some bad guys with indiscriminate Multiple Launched Rocket Systems and Cobra gunships civilised?

(see above....I do not condone this type of act)

I witnessed that.

(I am sorry you had to witness death in that way)

Was the lack of action when Iraqi forces crumbled good policy? When the people looted everything they could? Including the numerous, well stocked ammo compounds, good policy? The ammunitition currently being used by the militia's today.

The US's foreign policy in Iraq was not planned out as well as it could have, and now the US has dug itself into what seems a large hole, but is that worse than letting the region be as it was under the rule of a terrible man? Its a tough question, but I think ousting Saddam was a good move, but should have been thought through a little deeper.

Pretty fucking insane in my book.

I witnessed that too. Stopped a tiny little bit of it as well. Insisted more effort made to stop and prevent it.

But no - literally fuck all was done. Lack of a leadership element there, eh?

In fact, the entire fucking moral leadership component never existed, did it?

Leadership is difficult to handle when you were never allowed it previously.

A better foreign policy won't necessarily solve all the problems.

But it seems you think all this is 'just the way it is.'
Which is what I perceive to be an outrageous attitude.

Iraq is beyond saving - it's fucked for years to come.


I don't think Iraq is beyond saving.


That could have been easily avoided.

Shall I bring up Afghanistan? It's working out well over there too......

I don't live in denial - I witness fucking idiocy all over the world. I'd like it to stop.





The world is full of idiots and full of people who will disagree with each other. The best we can do is try to work between the lines and try to promote a common understanding.

IN addition, using the F word to express your ideas did not add any support to your comments, but actually took away from them. Just a small word of advice, but your comments are appreciated.
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One thing for sure, the pussies in the European Union sure as hell won't do anything to quell tyranical dictators around the world.



And, which tyranical dictators has the US taken care off? How many tyranical dictators has the US supported?




Ever heard of Hitler?



Yes, he committed suicide in his bunker just before it was overrun by RUSSIAN troops.

The US supported Somoza, Marcos, Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, and the Shah, among others.




WW 2 would have been lost without the US. So don't try to feed me the bull. If the US didn't get involved we would all most likely be living in a very different world run by Nazi Germany. The US put tons of pressure on Hitler and therefore couldn't have enough forces to carry out a sound attack on Russia (they performed a very stupid attack on them instead). In addition, the middle east....you think there would be any sort of tender feelings towards the people and their awful ways? No, they would be gone from the planet because of their skin color. Hitler and followers wouldn't risk lives. They would drop bombs over the whole region and call it a day.
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WW 2 would have been lost without the US. So don't try to feed me the bull. If the US didn't get involved we would all most likely be living in a very different world run by Nazi Germany.



I love that line...even better is when people actually believe it too.



Please enlighten me about WW 2 then. I would really love your un-researched ideas.
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Riiiight. That's what I said. And I spit on soldiers, too.



Go use your bullshit on someone that it may work on. You know you try to misconstrue what I said in a previous post and then unleash even more BS to try to either get away from it or change the subject.

I feel my comments were pertinent to the discussion at hand. Not that I really care, but your comments ignored the discussion in a lame attempt to get some zinger points. Didn't work.

So, what ARE you talking about here, Bill? Just being the contrarian as usual? Sounds fun. You could save time though by just saying "I disagree" then moving on, it'd make about as much sense.
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Please enlighten me about WW 2 then. I would really love your un-researched ideas.



Fine, prove to me the first line of your post.

When did the US declare war on the Germans?



The US originally declared war on Japan (an ally of Germany) as soon as they were bombed at Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941. Germany actually declared war with the US a few days later. Over the next few years Germany had almost complete control of western europe. June 6, 1944 Normandy was stormed in order to take back W. Europe and therefore, putting a lot more pressure on the country winning the war...yes Germany.
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now now vortexring, it's all about a discussion. Don't start "settling with power".




Chill out dude - it was a joke.(It's good for morale)

Besides, rate of descent's under control, I've enough airspeed on.;)

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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WW 2 would have been lost without the US. So don't try to feed me the bull. If the US didn't get involved we would all most likely be living in a very different world run by Nazi Germany.



I love that line...even better is when people actually believe it too.



You really think the Germans would have lost WWII without US support? I doubt you'll find any history scholars making that claim.

A common misconception is that the US gets most of the credit. I don't buy it. But to say the end result would have been the same without the US is bogus.

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A common misconception is that the US gets most of the credit. I don't buy it. But to say the end result would have been the same without the US is bogus.



Off course it is, just as bogus as saying that Germany would have won if it wasn't for the US.

Neither argument can be proven.

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So you think that on June 6, 1944 Germany was still considered to be winning the war? How was that Eastern front for them going anyways by that time?



Yeah your right North Africa, Sicily, Anzio, Monte Casino, the Balkans...yep it was a cakewalk.

Why don't you shut up before dishonoring many more dead men who had more courage than you will ever know.

I know far more about the Eastern Front than many people do I studied it and know for a fact all the sacrifices made on both the Russian and German sides of the war, and yet that does not negate the fact that it was a war fought on three fronts!!!

That is something most people know, but cannot fathom the full scale of.

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WW 2 would have been lost without the US. So don't try to feed me the bull. If the US didn't get involved we would all most likely be living in a very different world run by Nazi Germany. The US put tons of pressure on Hitler and therefore couldn't have enough forces to carry out a sound attack on Russia (they performed a very stupid attack on them instead). In addition, the middle east....you think there would be any sort of tender feelings towards the people and their awful ways? No, they would be gone from the planet because of their skin color. Hitler and followers wouldn't risk lives. They would drop bombs over the whole region and call it a day.



Jesus, man from where are you coming? Under which stone have you been during last decades?

Can't believe my eyes. But, anyhow: It was fun to read your posts B|B|

OK, Bill, give me a warning or 14 holidays: It was worth it.
Didn't read such a BS since months.

:) Normally, I'm an angel, I swear. :)

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Why don't you shut up before dishonoring many more dead men who had more courage than you will ever know.



Because I am related to quite a few of them. And quite frankly, the American notion that if it wasn't for the Americans all would have been lost is quite offensive to them. I have family members who fought in the resistance of three different European countries, family members who fought in Europe and family members who fought in south east asia.

It was nowhere near a cakewalk, I have sat on their knees, hearing the stories, stories of courage, sadness, loss and victory.

Who did you lose in WWII?

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>Go use your bullshit on someone that it may work on.

Apparently my "bullshit" is working on you, because you keep replying!

I know you probably don't care much about the subject at hand, but here's a recap:

In a discussion about US imperialism, you claimed that Chinese imperialism would be much worse. I used Hong Kong as an example of Chinese imperialist influcences. In that case, people seem to not mind "Chinese imperialism." You countered with the examples of:

Beijing. It's not an example of Chinese imperialism, so it had nothing to do with the discussion. So from now on we'll ignore it.

Taiwan. Also not a very good example of Chinese imperialism. If anything, this is an example of a country RESISTING Chinese imperialism, since it was once firmly a part of China and is now a separate entity. Right now the people of Taiwan are figthing it out in the voting booth. One party, the Kuomintang/Nationalist party, favors reunification with China. The Democratic Progressive Party favors complete Taiwanese independence. Who will win? Not sure, but it's not our decision - it's theirs. If the Chinese invade to establish control of the newly democratic government, then you might have a good example of Chinese imperialism.

Tibet. This _is_ a good example of Chinese imperialism. While overall living conditions in Tibet have greatly improved since the Chinese invasion, the government there is still fairly repressive, and Tibetians continue to flee the country. While many Tibetians support the PRC government, the majority do not.

You then threw in some gratuitous attacks which we will also ignore for now.

I replied that Beijing is not an example, since it's IN China. You replied and suggested that I thought that "having the world dominated by a government that opresses their own citizenry with an iron fist would somehow be better than what goes on today."

I could ask why you wanted the US to become more like China, but that would be as childish as your reply.

Instead, I will back up a few posts.

You did not deny aka's assertion that the US had imperialist tendencies, but rather compared them to China's and said people would get sick of them more rapidly. (Indeed, you suggested the US was "the devil they knew.") I think people are getting sick of BOTH countries' imperialist attitudes, and the idea that "our imperialism is better than theirs" is a non-starter to me. (Not saying you said that, but that's where the thread was going.)

China shouldn't be oppressing Tibet the way they are. We shouldn't be occupying Iraq the way we are. The world will benefit if both countries stop their respective imperial pursuits, and will suffer if both countries increase their efforts to control other areas under the flag "but we're saving the world from THEM." By and large, people want to be left alone, whether the outside imperial influence is the US, China, or (for other posters in this thread) Hitler.

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Why don't you shut up before dishonoring many more dead men who had more courage than you will ever know.



Because I am related to quite a few of them. And quite frankly, the American notion that if it wasn't for the Americans all would have been lost is quite offensive to them. I have family members who fought in the resistance of three different European countries, family members who fought in Europe and family members who fought in south east asia.

It was nowhere near a cakewalk, I have sat on their knees, hearing the stories, stories of courage, sadness, loss and victory.

Who did you lose in WWII?



Well for starters there is my german relatives that lived in a town in far eastern Prussia...that town was obliterated along with them.

Then there is my fathers uncle who was killed in the Ardennes.

My Dad was nearly killed when sunk on his destroyer in Leyte Gulf.

Yep they sat on the side lines.

I had a great grandfather that was a former catholic priest, he helped in the invasion of Siciliy at great risk to himself and every last relative he had.

I had other family members involved but I don't really know all the details, but wish I had learned them before they had passed away.

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To answer all of the questions about my posts:

1. The US's presence in the war was vital to Germany's loss. And controlling Western Europe was far more important to Germany than controlling the East. So in terms of winning, Germany was at that point in time.

2. Had the US not entered the war, the outcome may have been different and its possible that we could be living in a world today run by Germany.

3. Had Germany won, our present day conflicts with the middle east would be very different because Nazi Germany's lack of acceptance of people with colored skin, jews, etc. They would have most likely conquered it years ago and killed off the people.

These are all just thoughts and no way of proving it b/c the allies won the war. I was just trying to related it back to the original post and that didn't work so well. The whole WW2 part was way off base of the original posting as well. I don't even remember how it got started, but it was interesting.

I appreciate all of the talk back and forth b/c has kept me busy at work while I have been recovering from a nice hangover.

Blue Skies!

James
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