SpeedRacer 1 #1 February 7, 2007 How long would you like us to stay in Iraq? And exactly what do you visualize would be the situation in Iraq that would allow us to leave? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #2 February 7, 2007 I don't have a desire for us to stay there, but our presence will remain in that area for decades.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #3 February 8, 2007 any particular reason why would we want to stay there for decades? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,622 #4 February 8, 2007 Quoteany particular reason why would we want to stay there for decades? Profits for the defense industry?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #5 February 8, 2007 QuoteHow long would you like us to stay in Iraq? And exactly what do you visualize would be the situation in Iraq that would allow us to leave? I'm bumping this up again to see if I can get a few more responses. I've been wondering what specifically people have in mind when they talk about "winning" in Iraq, or not leaving "until the job is done" or whatever. What exactly would Iraq look like the day before we bring at least the majority of the troops home? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #6 February 8, 2007 Quoteany particular reason why would we want to stay there for decades? The same reason we've remained in other parts of the world for over half a century. We also drew our presence down in Saudi Arabia. While we have good relations and operations in Qatar, Kuwait and Dubai, etc., circumstances will require our presence for quite a while longer.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
no7rosman 0 #7 February 8, 2007 http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm Try this. Notice the names at the bottom. Funny they are all the people that keep coming up in scandals and conspiracy theories. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #8 February 8, 2007 yep, that' website is the neocon manifesto: America should run the planet. and guess who gets to pay the enormous cost for this Lex Luthor-type fantasy? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calle 0 #9 February 8, 2007 I recently saw the movie "the quiet american". According to me, the movie describes the Iraq situation pretty well. It`s a crusade. The only possible outcome I see in this, is the us troops returning home after enough blood is spilt, and they finally realise there is no-one to "liberate". Then the UN stays and cleans up the crap. As usual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #10 February 8, 2007 QuoteThen the UN stays and cleans up the crap. As usual. Thank God for the righteous and effective UN. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #11 February 8, 2007 Quote Then the UN stays and cleans up the crap. As usual. You mean in places like Rwanda, Somalia, and the Balkans? Yeah, bang-up job so far...nothing done in Rwanda, or Somalia (are they even still there?), and NATO still commands the situation in the Balkans.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #12 February 8, 2007 Still, noone has anwered the question, apart from saying we'll have some presence in Iraq for decades. I assume he meant not the full force we have there now. So what specific milestone must be passed for us to bring some or most of our troops home? I think it's important to have this nailed down in specific terms if we are to make decisions about how to proceed from this point forward. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #13 February 8, 2007 So what specific milestone must be passed for us to bring some or most of our troops home? Quote IMO from the military standpoint the milestone would be the Iraqi military being self sufficient in terms of operational capabilities, at the moment there are quite a few units that have reached this point, logisitcally our help is still needed but they can operate successfully on their own, probably about 50%, then there are others that still need a boot in rear. Even after a major drawdown though there will still be teams in country continuing to help the units develop and further their training. From the political standpoint, wel.... that ain't my bag baby I'll let the politicians work that one outHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #14 February 8, 2007 Holy shit! I just realized I posted this exact same question a little over two years ago, in December 2004: clicky Reading the other thread, it seems not too much has changed. Here's a quote from tunaplanet in that thread: Quote"Of course there's a plan. The US doesn't commit troops without an exit strategy. Just because they haven't came out and said verbatim what it is doesn't mean there isn't one." Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #15 February 8, 2007 QuoteQuote Then the UN stays and cleans up the crap. As usual. You mean in places like Rwanda, Somalia, and the Balkans? Yeah, bang-up job so far...nothing done in Rwanda, or Somalia (are they even still there?), and NATO still commands the situation in the Balkans. Still there, still getting busted for raping the locals... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,121 #16 February 8, 2007 QuoteStill there, still getting busted for raping the locals... I knew the US would have something in common with the UN. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #17 February 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteStill there, still getting busted for raping the locals... I knew the US would have something in common with the UN. Yeah, why don't you do a rate comparison between the two and get back to us on that.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #18 February 8, 2007 or you could both go start another thread for that, since it isn't the topic under discussion here. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #19 February 8, 2007 Quoteor you could both go start another thread for that, since it isn't the topic under discussion here. Mine was at least somewhat relevant, being an answer to GawainMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyChimp 0 #20 February 8, 2007 QuoteHow long would you like us to stay in Iraq? And exactly what do you visualize would be the situation in Iraq that would allow us to leave? Well we invaded other countries durning WWII and to this day, have never left. Military bases were established in Europe and the rest is history. I predict that we will never leave and that someday Baghdad will just be another billet to get filled when us service members are on the phone with the detailer, chosing orders! What do you think sounds better??? Fort Baghdad Naval Air Station Baghdad Baghdad Air Force Base Camp Baghdad Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #21 February 8, 2007 OK as I explained before then, what would have to happen for us to bring MOST of our troops home??? (and by the way, what if we the taxpayers don't want to pay for a garrison of the entire world??) Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #22 February 8, 2007 A separate question. A co-worker of mine who I interact with on a daily basis (and actually like) lost his son in Iraq yesterday. My department is collecting donations to put towards a currently unknown gift for the family (something meaningful). Any good suggestions for a gift? And how about for reducing the awkwardness of working with him while he deals with his grief? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lastchance 0 #23 February 8, 2007 I'm sure sorry to hear that. I sure don't know what kind of gift would even come close to easing that kind of grief. My heart goes out to your co-worker and his family. As for easing the awkwardness, just let him know that you are there for him to help in any way I suppose. I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,121 #24 February 8, 2007 As a gift, look into the planting of a tree with a dedication to his son. If he has a yard, that would be great, if he doesn't, maybe on company property. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #25 February 8, 2007 QuoteI don't have a desire for us to stay there, but our presence will remain in that area for decades. Thereby insuring that we'll be in a perpetual state of undeclared war. (e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, ...... OBL (2002) http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
SpeedRacer 1 #14 February 8, 2007 Holy shit! I just realized I posted this exact same question a little over two years ago, in December 2004: clicky Reading the other thread, it seems not too much has changed. Here's a quote from tunaplanet in that thread: Quote"Of course there's a plan. The US doesn't commit troops without an exit strategy. Just because they haven't came out and said verbatim what it is doesn't mean there isn't one." Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 February 8, 2007 QuoteQuote Then the UN stays and cleans up the crap. As usual. You mean in places like Rwanda, Somalia, and the Balkans? Yeah, bang-up job so far...nothing done in Rwanda, or Somalia (are they even still there?), and NATO still commands the situation in the Balkans. Still there, still getting busted for raping the locals... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #16 February 8, 2007 QuoteStill there, still getting busted for raping the locals... I knew the US would have something in common with the UN. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 February 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteStill there, still getting busted for raping the locals... I knew the US would have something in common with the UN. Yeah, why don't you do a rate comparison between the two and get back to us on that.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #18 February 8, 2007 or you could both go start another thread for that, since it isn't the topic under discussion here. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 February 8, 2007 Quoteor you could both go start another thread for that, since it isn't the topic under discussion here. Mine was at least somewhat relevant, being an answer to GawainMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #20 February 8, 2007 QuoteHow long would you like us to stay in Iraq? And exactly what do you visualize would be the situation in Iraq that would allow us to leave? Well we invaded other countries durning WWII and to this day, have never left. Military bases were established in Europe and the rest is history. I predict that we will never leave and that someday Baghdad will just be another billet to get filled when us service members are on the phone with the detailer, chosing orders! What do you think sounds better??? Fort Baghdad Naval Air Station Baghdad Baghdad Air Force Base Camp Baghdad Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #21 February 8, 2007 OK as I explained before then, what would have to happen for us to bring MOST of our troops home??? (and by the way, what if we the taxpayers don't want to pay for a garrison of the entire world??) Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #22 February 8, 2007 A separate question. A co-worker of mine who I interact with on a daily basis (and actually like) lost his son in Iraq yesterday. My department is collecting donations to put towards a currently unknown gift for the family (something meaningful). Any good suggestions for a gift? And how about for reducing the awkwardness of working with him while he deals with his grief? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lastchance 0 #23 February 8, 2007 I'm sure sorry to hear that. I sure don't know what kind of gift would even come close to easing that kind of grief. My heart goes out to your co-worker and his family. As for easing the awkwardness, just let him know that you are there for him to help in any way I suppose. I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #24 February 8, 2007 As a gift, look into the planting of a tree with a dedication to his son. If he has a yard, that would be great, if he doesn't, maybe on company property. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #25 February 8, 2007 QuoteI don't have a desire for us to stay there, but our presence will remain in that area for decades. Thereby insuring that we'll be in a perpetual state of undeclared war. (e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, ...... OBL (2002) http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
