waltappel 1 #76 January 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteSegregation does not exist today. Minorities have been given and currently receive plenty of benefits to help advance within society. You deserve nothing. At my local Kroger, every employee is black except the manager who is white. 99% of people riding the public transport system here are black. How do you explain that. I'm not trying to be a wiseass here. I honestly don't see what you are getting at. Is the Kroger store in a predominately black community? Is it a fairly new store? What are you getting at in regard to public transportation? Maybe if you describe the demographics of the area more I'll understand. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #77 January 28, 2007 QuoteQuotetalking like a Negro What does "talking like a Negro" mean? What do "Negro's" sound like? Can you help explain that to me?EbonicsI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #78 January 28, 2007 First off I understand the point you're making and I'm not offended. I do however disagree with the notion of us, black people, not making much history AND that notion actually serves to illustrate my point. While the same people you mentioned seem to get the same amount of mention in most history books there are sooooo many more who most people have never heard of. Beyond the individuals are their accomplishments, failures, inventions, works of literature, scientific achievements... It goes on. Ever heard of "Black Wall Street?" I've never seen that in ANY history book but it's certainly worth mentioning for more than one reason. Google it (hint, it's not the record label). You mentioned the Tuskegee Airmen, who incidentally NEVER lost one bomber they escorted, but I heard about them from my mother. Never a history teacher. I could go on but I think/hope you get the point. Yes, black people have the UNCF and I don't see anything wrong with helping people get an education. Asian, black, white, whoever. The UNCF isn't taking money out anyone else's pocket or depriving anyone of what they're due so what's really the problem? Diversity is a strength and should be encouraged and fostered. "White students' association." What exactly would the WSA discuss at Texas A & M? I went to Morehouse so we didn't have a BSU, black student union, (you get a gold star if you can figure out why) but I have plenty of friends who went to Michigan. Having been to one BSU meeting at Michigan I have to say it would be "interesting" at best to see how the WSA would discuss issues pertaining to white kids (which is part of what goes on at BSU meetings) on campus. How difficult do you think it would be for a white kid from anywhere to adjust to a sea of... more white kids? Don't confuse that to mean college doesn't pose some of the same challenges for all students but i do think there are some that are different based on race. While we're all connected we're certainly not all the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #79 January 28, 2007 All of one race of people don't speak one way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #80 January 28, 2007 QuoteI see no hatred in the OP, just frustration. When a person repeately uses the word FUCK . . . it means only one of two things; he's angry or he's horny. He sure didn't sound horny to me. (Ok, possibly a third thing; he lacks the vocabulary and eloquence to properly state his position without sounding like an angry white guy.)quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #81 January 28, 2007 im an angry white guy, i am out of beer and the wife has my truck..man those fucking white womenhttp://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #82 January 28, 2007 I'm sticking with the frustration interpretation. It's often very difficult to tell the difference but frustration over Black History Month seems to me to be a lot more reasonable reaction than anger because I see nothing to really get angry about. Frustration, I can understand, though. If people want fairness, then do the history month thing for everybody or nobody. Personally, my vote would be for skipping it altogether and looking toward the future. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #83 January 28, 2007 Quoteim an angry white guy, i am out of beer and the wife has my truck..man those fucking white women Well, you *did* marry her! LOL Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #84 January 28, 2007 QuoteI'm sticking with the frustration interpretation. It's often very difficult to tell the difference but frustration over Black History Month seems to me to be a lot more reasonable reaction than anger because I see nothing to really get angry about. Frustration, I can understand, though. If people want fairness, then do the history month thing for everybody or nobody. Personally, my vote would be for skipping it altogether and looking toward the future. Walt Is there a jewish month after all the did have it bad. Is there an Irish month, they had it very bad. I think pointing out a race makes it racism not the people involvedhttp://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #85 January 28, 2007 QuoteI'm sticking with the frustration interpretation. It's often very difficult to tell the difference but frustration over Black History Month seems to me to be a lot more reasonable reaction than anger because I see nothing to really get angry about. Frustration, I can understand, though. If people want fairness, then do the history month thing for everybody or nobody. Personally, my vote would be for skipping it altogether and looking toward the future. Walt I, on the other hand, see nothing to be frustrated about! I'm a white guy and Black History month doesn't affect me one bit. Not in the least. Logically, how could it? How is it possible that hearing about a bit of history could make ME frustrated in any way shape or form? Quote NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, etc. In celebration of Black History Month here's a big fucking middle finger from me to you, you worthless racist fucks. The OP clearly wasn't frustrated. Based on what he actually posted, the actual words he used, he is FAR more than frustrated.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #86 January 28, 2007 QuoteI think pointing out a race makes it racism not the people involved IMO it depends on how it's pointed out--the intent behind it. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #87 January 28, 2007 QuoteI, on the other hand, see nothing to be frustrated about! I'm a white guy (and anybody that knows me, knows that I'm a VERY white guy). Black History month doesn't affect me one bit. Not in the least. Logically, how could it? How is it possible that hearing about a bit of history could make ME frustrated in any way shape or form? I think it depends on how much reverse discrimination you've seen. I've seen plenty and IMO it's an obvious over-compensation for wrongs that *cannot* be righted--either by giving special treatment to people who did not suffer those wrongs or by any other means. I don't feel frustration but I do think it's a total waste of time, money and energy and feel it's time to move on. Quote Quote NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, etc. In celebration of Black History Month here's a big fucking middle finger from me to you, you worthless racist fucks. The OP clearly wasn't frustrated. Based on what he actually posted, the actual words he used, he is FAR more than frustrated. I can see your point there. Still, he's pointing out that many in our society consider those people and that group to be completely ok with their race-biased activities but white people doing the same thing would be considered quite evil. There's a lot of hypocrisy out there in regards to racial topics and personally I don't think someone having a strong reaction to that hypocrisy is necessarily a hate-filled person. Angry? Maybe. Frustrated? Could be that too, or it could be a mix of both. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #88 January 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteI, on the other hand, see nothing to be frustrated about! I'm a white guy (and anybody that knows me, knows that I'm a VERY white guy). Black History month doesn't affect me one bit. Not in the least. Logically, how could it? How is it possible that hearing about a bit of history could make ME frustrated in any way shape or form? I think it depends on how much reverse discrimination you've seen. None. Ever. I have seen some people use that as an excuse for getting passed over or whatnot, but in my personal life, I can't recall a time I've ever seen a credible case of a black person taking a slot from a more qualified white person simply because of race. I have seen instances of active descriminatiion based on other factors; religion, sexuality and age. People do make mistakes.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #89 January 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI, on the other hand, see nothing to be frustrated about! I'm a white guy (and anybody that knows me, knows that I'm a VERY white guy). Black History month doesn't affect me one bit. Not in the least. Logically, how could it? How is it possible that hearing about a bit of history could make ME frustrated in any way shape or form? I think it depends on how much reverse discrimination you've seen. None. Ever. I have seen some people use that as an excuse for getting passed over or whatnot, but in my personal life, I can't recall a time I've ever seen a credible case of a black person taking a slot from a more qualified white person simply because of race. I have seen instances of active descriminatiion based on other factors; religion, sexuality and age. People do make mistakes. university of GA wish i had a cse number . 4 white students couldn't get admission because they had to allow for ethnics. the white students won the case but it does happenhttp://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #90 January 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI, on the other hand, see nothing to be frustrated about! I'm a white guy (and anybody that knows me, knows that I'm a VERY white guy). Black History month doesn't affect me one bit. Not in the least. Logically, how could it? How is it possible that hearing about a bit of history could make ME frustrated in any way shape or form? I think it depends on how much reverse discrimination you've seen. None. Ever. I have seen some people use that as an excuse for getting passed over or whatnot, but in my personal life, I can't recall a time I've ever seen a credible case of a black person taking a slot from a more qualified white person simply because of race. I have seen instances of active descriminatiion based on other factors; religion, sexuality and age. People do make mistakes.Hate to say it but I've quite a few black guys lay down on me on the job and then play the race card. I always treat everyone equal. Bust your ass like I do or hit the road. And I have quite a few black friends off the job. I play no favorites. I can walk into the hood in my hometown and get utmost respect. All in how ya treat peopleI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #91 January 28, 2007 QuoteNone. Ever. I have seen some people use that as an excuse for getting passed over or whatnot, but in my personal life, I can't recall a time I've ever seen a credible case of a black person taking a slot from a more qualified white person simply because of race. I have seen instances of active descriminatiion based on other factors; religion, sexuality and age. People do make mistakes. The person getting passed over for promotion is not how it usually happens. Where I've seen it most is in the hiring and particularly in the *recruiting* process. Another area where it is, in fact, institutionalized is in the area of government contracts, where there is sometimes a requirement for a specified percentage of the contract value to go to minority- and women-owned businesses. It can get really nuts. I have personally seen an example where the company I worked for had a government contract and to satisfy a requirement of the contract, subcontracted out some of the work to a minority-owned business. The minority-owned business had absolutely no capability of doing the work so they, in turn, subcontracted it out to my company, who had subcontracted *them* to do the work. Government handout based purely on skin color. Good thing it wasn't racist! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #92 January 28, 2007 Quoteuniversity of GA wish i had a cse number . 4 white students couldn't get admission because they had to allow for ethnics. the white students won the case but it does happen There's always the Bakke case. Do a google on it. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #93 January 28, 2007 There is always an opposite.. The black dude that works for me is always going on about how the black community wants crap for nothing in fact i think he is a racist lol treat everyone the same until they show otherwise.http://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #94 January 28, 2007 QuoteThere is always an opposite.. The black dude that works for me is always going on about how the black community wants crap for nothing in fact i think he is a racist lol treat everyone the same until they show otherwise. Haven't you heard? He can't be racist if he's black! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #95 January 28, 2007 man no thaks...he's a decent guy with a good education but hates when people play the race card. he believes in working for what you get not blaming his ancestors..I should bring him to the dublin boogie he wants to make a jump..lol listening to him though i am like damn you fucking racist bastard.lolhttp://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #96 January 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteSegregation does not exist today. Minorities have been given and currently receive plenty of benefits to help advance within society. You deserve nothing. At my local Kroger, every employee is black except the manager who is white. 99% of people riding the public transport system here are black. How do you explain that. I'm not trying to be a wiseass here. I honestly don't see what you are getting at. Is the Kroger store in a predominately black community? Is it a fairly new store? What are you getting at in regard to public transportation? Maybe if you describe the demographics of the area more I'll understand. Walt If you can't afford a car you ride public transport. If you can't find a better job you work minimum wage. My point is that inequality in those areas exists, and the distinguishing factor is race. I'd like to know what people think is the reason for this, if it isn't the legacy of slavery.Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #97 January 28, 2007 QuoteIf you can't afford a car you ride public transport. If you can't find a better job you work minimum wage. My point is that inequality in those areas exists, and the distinguishing factor is race. I'd like to know what people think is the reason for this, if it isn't the legacy of slavery. Ok, that's a fair question but I seriously doubt there is any one answer to it. In the past a great many doors were shut to black people so the opportunities to get ahead were very limited. That's a no brainer. The barriers of the past have largely been broken down, but I think there are a lot people out there who, for whatever reason, either don't think they really have a chance or whose choices in life have put many of those opportunities out of reach. I *don't* think racism comes anywhere close to explaining it but I think it is often used as an excuse. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aprilcat 0 #98 January 28, 2007 Black history month is part of this education. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You hit it on the nose, but in reading this thread some people have a horrible reaction to education. ~~April Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aprilcat 0 #99 January 28, 2007 The barriers of the past have largely been broken down, but I think there are a lot people out there who, for whatever reason, either don't think they really have a chance or whose choices in life have put many of those opportunities out of reach. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Think about this. What does Black History Month have to do with reverse discrimination and this quote you're making here? Black History Month is not about 'give us jobs, its OUR turn'..its about 'We've been left OUT of American History, LOOK at our contributions' Please don't tell me you want to take THAT and dust it under the rug. As I've said to you privately, blacks are ingrained in American History and there are many things we were NOT taught about in school. Its shedding light on a lost history of a lost people who strived and continue to strive in America. Should we ignore the contributions if they aren't taught in public schools and continue to regurgitate that tripe about George Washington cutting down a freaking cherry tree? I think I have 2 years of my life learning the lesson of 'I cannot tell a lie', and I'm not saying thats a lie, but what ELSE was going on in the country at that time? Black History month is not a push for people to get jobs they aren't qualified for. Its about History..and NO... the OP says 'Fuck Black History Month' is wrong. Take the 28 days off and just get in your cave and see the world like you want to see it. The rest of us will be out here learning something we didn't know before. Cheers (that be ebonics for 'Skeet-Skeet')~~April Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #100 January 28, 2007 QuoteThe barriers of the past have largely been broken down, but I think there are a lot people out there who, for whatever reason, either don't think they really have a chance or whose choices in life have put many of those opportunities out of reach. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Think about this. What does Black History Month have to do with reverse discrimination and this quote you're making here? That was a side discussion that wasn't so much about Black History Month, but about an apparent disparity of wealth and opportunity based on skin color. For some whites, and funks *may* be one of them, Black History Month seems like yet another case of socially-accepted race-based preferential treatment. Quote [some very good commentary deleted here to save space] Black History month is not a push for people to get jobs they aren't qualified for. Its about History..and NO... the OP says 'Fuck Black History Month' is wrong. Take the 28 days off and just get in your cave and see the world like you want to see it. The rest of us will be out here learning something we didn't know before. Black American history, like just about any other kind of history, is a "don't care" for me. It's just not my thing. I'm purely guessing here, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a "don't care" for funks too. I'm guessing that his problem is more with what is easy to see as a hypocrisy. Apparently in this society Black History Month is ok but White History Month would be considered racist. NAACP is ok but an analgous thing for whites would be called racist. The specific people funks mentioned, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Louis Farrakhan, (and I'm really not sure that Al Sharpton belongs there) are arguably demagogues who would not be tolerated for a moment if they were white and screaming for whatever they figured white people want. Quote Cheers (that be ebonics for 'Skeet-Skeet')~~April Damn that was funny!!! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
