Honest questions for God

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You know thats not it.

If read his blog then his posts he obviously wants freedom of speech for himself, but wishes Paj would just "shut up" on a publc forum about Christianity. Very telling I would say.

Sometimes I wished my ex-wife would just shut up (probably wouldn't be "ex" if she had). However, I never wanted the government to abridge her freedom of speech.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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You know thats not it.

If read his blog then his posts he obviously wants freedom of speech for himself, but wishes Paj would just "shut up" on a publc forum about Christianity. Very telling I would say.

Sometimes I wished my ex-wife would just shut up (probably wouldn't be "ex" if she had). However, I never wanted the government to abridge her freedom of speech.

Every rule has its exceptions. You-all know how pro-Constitution I am. Andyet...if the government forced my mother in law to shut the fuck up.....mmm...I'd probably be willing to look the other way.

[steveorino 7]

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Don't lapse into the paranoid "Everyone's against Christians!" cliche. You're too good for that.

Well, that was an over statement. I have the flu.

steveOrino

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Everybody still good and pissed off at me in here Steve?

[steveorino 7]

I think so.

steveOrino

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You know thats not it.

If read his blog then his posts he obviously wants freedom of speech for himself, but wishes Paj would just "shut up" on a publc forum about Christianity. Very telling I would say.

If you take it that my comments are directed towards Paj alone, you're grossly mistaken.
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Censorship According to Brittanica

Act of changing or suppressing speech or writing that is considered subversive of the common good. In the past, most governments believed it their duty to regulate the morals of their people; only with the rise in the status of the individual and individual rights did censorship come to seem objectionable.
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I'm not trying to change what anyone is saying, nor ask them to even not say it. I don't think anyone else is doing so either. The problem is that the venue of jesus-screamers has changed from rational and reasonable to unrational and unreasonable. They believe that the last days are coming so they are obligated to cause misery for the rest of us due to their own insecurities.

Put in another context:
You-Dude, you have to jump XYZ canopy!! It'll save your life!!"
Me-"thanks, but no thanks, already jumped one, and it wasn't for me."
You-But DSE, You're gonna DIE painfully and miserably if you don't jump XYZ canopy! I swear to Bill Booth, this book written by daVinci proves that you'll die painfully and horribly if you don't jump XYZ."
Me-"I don't believe that Bill Booth knew daVinci, and I don't believe daVinci had all the facts regarding skydiving. After all, he died nearly 6 centuries ago, science hadn't discovered nylon yet, and airplanes were a distant dream. Plus, daVinci wrote that book in a secret language, the decoder has been lost, and besides, we can see from the writing styles that daVinci couldn't have written the entire book."
You-"DSE, XYZ loves you! Science and archeology don't matter! Just believe in XYZ!! If you jump XYZ, you'll never have to suffer again. No more hard openings, no more line twists, no more stuck sliders, they promise!! You'll know for sure your life will go on, and happiness will be yours."
Me-I appreciate your enthusiasm. In fact, the mere word 'enthus' means "God within." Ironically the "IASM" at the end of Enthusiasm" means 'I Am Sold Myself.' But I'm not sold on XYZ, and not interested. Thank you, you've made your pitch, can we move on and remain friends? Or do I have to stuff a dirty sock in your mouth to get you to be quiet?"
And you and I could probably move on.
Yet outside the skydiving community, some misguided robot is screaming on the street corners and tossing out pamphets proclaiming "Fly XYZ canopies and your life will be saved!!!" and it becomes not only tiresome, but offensive when constantly and consistently told that my life, and the lives of others that don't live as you do, is shitty, bad, morally fraudulent, deceitful, and just plain wrong.
Why is it that the beauty of choice doesn't include religions when it comes to Christian viewpoints? (I know...Christians believe in free agency. I'm free to not be Christian, and they're free to browbeat me until I accept their drivel merely to have some silence)

All I'm asking/demanding with no less a voice nor passion than those that violate my space, is that they keep their religion where it belongs; in homes and churches. Keep it away from my children and my business, even though you believe you hold moral superiority and obligation to subjugate my wishes and decisions as an adult and parent.

Isn't that a fair request? I promise not to tell you that I think your life is pathetic, ignorant, and hollow if you promise not to force the jesus product down my throat promising eternal happiness and salvation from my "sins." We heard you the first 50 or 60 times.

Really. We did.

Having heard you, I'm like nearly two-thirds of the world, I resent having this product of Jesus rammed down my throat at every turn. Jesus freaks have been able to work towards passing laws that limit offensive material in public places such as porn and other material of adult nature or moral question. Why is it that the scales are not balanced in a society of fairness, justice, and equality for all?

In closing, for you to take one smaller aspect of an editorial I wrote on one subject and present it in a diametric context and deliberately obfuscate the wholly different voice of the editorial....Man... I just never would have guessed you were that sort of person. I wouldn't have thought that dignity is yet another lost value in the Christian war on non-Christians.

That's just plain vicious and wrong. If you're the guy I believe you are, you already knew that.

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"The Pope is the AntiChrist" and "would crucify Jesus if he returned"

This is almost as good as WrestleMania

Actually he said that the Pope has the embodiment of Antichrist. He didn't say that he was; only that he demonstrated qualities of.

Uhhh - it's only "embodyment". What a pussy this preacher!
wouldn't go all the way, hu? Had wuss out where stuff gets emobied.
But, hey, perhaps it still qualifies for Minor League WrestleMania

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not just make blind accusations. He gave very detailed Biblical reasons why. Any refutations? Explain?

"Biblical reasons"? ..that is pretty much an oxymoron to me. But
I could probably find some good quotes in an Iassac Asimov novel
(or Mad Magazine for that matter) if that would be of any help?

Cheers, T

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Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true

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I think the scene would play out something like this:

ME: "GOD! You are actually GOD! Well I'll be damned!?!?"
GOD: "Yes you will be.....MOHAWHAHA!!!"

There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

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Having heard you, I'm like nearly two-thirds of the world, I resent having this product of Jesus rammed down my throat at every turn.

[emphasis mine] How have I crammed Jesus down your throat?

steveOrino

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[emphasis mine] How have I crammed Jesus down your throat?

Again, I was speaking to the third person, (which means I wasn't speaking to any one person, I was speaking to the evangelical Christian. The entire tone of my post is to the evangelical group as a whole, not to any one person.) But you knew that already, didn't you? It's understandable, the need to divert discussion from the product to the personal.

At the end of my post, where you personally(emphasis mine) took something I wrote and twisted it's context to suit your own needs; that is my only personal comment to you, and still is.
So no...you personally haven't crammed jesus down my throat, and I didn't mean to intimate that you, personally, had done so. But just like you knew what you were doing when you twisted my editorial's meaning, I believe you knew I wasn't speaking to you too.
It's clear that like the bible and other historical facts, Christians are not only willing, but of a mindset that makes acceptable, the tweaking and churning of words to suit an agenda. While this surprised me at first glance, it shouldn't have. Christians have been doing so for nearly 2000 years, nevermoreso than today.
In the words of jesus, "For as much as you’ve (I think he means this generally) done it to the least of my brethren, you have done it unto me."Matthew 25:40.

Well... I'd consider myself "least" when compared to your jesus. But I'm quite certain that like many other Christian positions, there is failure to see the hypocrisy in this scenario.

Happy 2007 to all.

[steveorino 7]

I merely quoted your two contradictory staments. And I still stand by my statement that your quote against censorship is valid only when you believe it fits your world view.

steveOrino

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Steve, you didn't quote shit. Stand by whatever you think you're standing by, it doesn't hold water.
You took a concept and viewpoint completely out of context, and you know you did. Without reading the editorials, others here pointed that out to you as well.
Anyone who reads the editorial that does so without agenda and a modicum of objectivity, will see exactly that.
For those interested in two very dry reads, both with censorship as small components in a larger context,
http://dvinfo.net/articles/business/copyrightfaq1.php

http://www.spottedeagle.com/editorial.htm

Steve could have been twisting either article. Either way, it's an obfuscation of the point of both editorials.

[steveorino 7]

Have a happy new year

steveOrino

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If you actually faced the Almighty, what would you ask Him if you only had one question?

"Dude, what's with the Platypus?"

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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If you actually faced the Almighty, what would you ask Him if you only had one question?

I hope for serious responses from believers and non-believers, but I doubt I'll receive it. I'm not trying to paint God as "christian" or anything else at this moment. I simply would like for you to be honest and tell me what you would ask God if you came face to face one day.

Me? I'd ask: Why is so much hate and anger vented by many who name the name of Christ?

from the handbook for a new paradigm, available for free at www.nohoaxes.com


this is a point in the evolution of the planet that brings to the forefront of each individual's thoughts the question of why, me, why now and what is really going on in the reality that is right now in the time we are experiencing. What really is going on behind the scenes we are aware of through the the five senses? Why is there this feeling that there is more to the story than just appearances. Who indeed has set this up and is pulling the strings. I*(s it really just a group of somebodies that is in charge? if this is the case, then is the God thing really just a hoax after all? There are those who believe that to be the true essence of the scenario. Fortunately for the good of all, that is not the Truth.
The Truth is that there are multiple levels of activity behind what appeaers to be a play of incredible magnatude. Who then is writing the lines for the characters and what is the point of the script? Wuold you be surprised to learn that you aRE WRITNING THE LINES AND UNTIL YOU CAN FIGURE OUT A POINT TO THE SCRIPT, there is none? If that is the case, then which of the individuals on the planet can figure one out? Well, indeed there is a focused group that has decided that they would like to put forth their point in the script. There is just one problem with this: they have decided to put forth a focus within the play that is not in harmony with the Creator of the stage and the theatre that this play is to be performed upon. In fact, the plan this group has in mind has a great surprise at the end for the audience and the actors on the stage. they intend to destroy the audience, the actors, the stage and the theatre.
Since the Creator of this theatre likes this particular theatre and thinks of it as a pet project, this idea doesn't appeal to Him at all. Since He is not in the business of standing in the way of the creative presentations that are produced within its confines, then He is hoping that the audience will decide to make changes of their own. There is a type of presentation that involves participation of the audience other than just sitting and observing. The theatre entrepeneur is wondering whether if the play becomes obnoxious enough to the audience, will they simply walk away and withdraw their attention? This would then allow the cast and its directors to destroy themselves, but then the theatre owner does not want his property destroyed along with them. He is hoping that the audience will come up with some other solution. Perhaps there could be audience participation that would perhaps introduce some new characters that would create lines of script of their own. If a new story line. If a new story line could be intruduced with characters that could change the ending, then the performance could be a comedy or a mystery or a love story rather than a tragedy. Maybe audience participation could indeed create a whole new genre of experiance. Instead of depicting repitition of experiences already known, could the audience in the intensity of desire change the story line, come up with a creative scenario that would encompass possibilities not yet experienced? Why not? The greater the desire for change, the greater the opportunity for creative new boundary-expanding story themes. Within the spontaneity of group focus, WITHOUT THE ACADEMIC CONTROL OF LEADERSHIP WITH AN INTENDED PURPOSE, conception outside of ordinary themes is not only possible, IT IS PROBABLE.
To what purpose is this discussion being instigated? It is time that you awaken to your responsibility to change the (destination of the) path you are now being pushed to take. It is far past the stage of leading you. It is at the stage of pushing you. It is at the stage where resistance cannot be sucessful; therefore you are going to have to accomplish this by some other means. A way must be literally created that will bring about a solution. Nothing that you have done before will accomplish a change in this situation. Those who have brought you to this point know your current human nature so well that every possibilty you can think of has been blocked. Every cell of resistance is well known by them and is allowed to exist because it has a purpose in their plan. These will be used as examples of what they will not allow.
Now you must come into the understanding that there is a passage through this experience for mankind, but you must move into a creative stance, not a resistive posture. This is not what is expected of you based on your past modes of experience. I can assure you that your history has been analyzed and studied by minds and computer model to the point that you are known to an extent that you cannot even imagine. Every reactive scenario has been dissected to the cellular level and restrictive actions planned against them. You are faced with the possibility of your EXTINCTION unless you can make a cosmic leap to the level of creative imagination that will completely nullify those plans. Have you not computers of your own? Can you not band into creative discussion groups and ask for entry into the mind of that which created you? "Where two or more are gathered together in my Name (within the focused desire for harmonious understanding), there am i also."
CRIES AND BEGGING TO BE RELIEVED OF THE SITUATION BY GOD, OR JESUS, BUDDHA OR MOHAMMED WILL NOT DO IT. You have allowed this evil to descend upon you ans so it is you, individually and collectively, that must take it upon yourselves to concieve this solution. A NEW CONSCIOUSNESS CHANGE must take place WITHIN you. Not all of humanity will choose to participate. There will be some that will hide their heads in blame and grovel in victimhood. So be it. Let them. You have no time to recruit among them, for what creativity could they offer? This is a clarion call to the consciousnrss of those with the strenght o character to stand up within their own conscious awareness to continue its planned completion. Even those who are in the midst of that abominable plan have no idea that the end is indeed to be annihilation. Unfortunately, it is not only planned to be annihilation of the people and the planet, but of realms beyond the imagination.
How shall it be done? How can a change come about in the midst of such a lack of understanding of who and what you are? Now, while there is yet time, before the noose tightens, movement about the planet is yet possible. Groups shall come together to strech their conscious awareness, to invoke the aid of the highest sources of knowledge to assist them in concieving a new way of experiencing manifested existence. This must not be copied from any other experience. This is not a process that can be spelled out. It is shadowy in the beginning as it is concieved as a possibility, and so it should be. Known boundaries of existance must be transcended. a super-human assignment? indeed, but not at all impossible. Out of challenge born of desire and necessity comes the the conception of that wqhich is different.
has mankind been presented with this opportunity before? Indeed, but each time he reverted to known strategies. Now it has been of his creation that this situation exists. It has been his task to make this leap and so he has now made it so that it must be undertaken or face the possibility he may cease to exist. ALL OF THIS IS HIS(MAN'S) DOING. Mankind has NO ONE else to blame, so there must be a 180 degree turn from the past refusal to take on the whole project, to taking it on with resolve and dedication.


www.alliesofhumanity.org

we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively


wishers never choose, choosers never wish

[udder 0]

Does this go for Mohammed?

"In one way or the other, I'm a bad brother. Word to the motherf**ker." Eazy-E

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If a man is washed onto an island and raised by wolves and dies without ever having heard of religion, or God, will he be going to hell? If so, which the bible dictates would happen, he will be spending eternity in hell because he drew the short stick on earth. How is this fair and just?

"In one way or the other, I'm a bad brother. Word to the motherf**ker." Eazy-E

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If a man is washed onto an island and raised by wolves and dies without ever having heard of religion, or God, will he be going to hell? If so, which the bible dictates would happen, he will be spending eternity in hell because he drew the short stick on earth. How is this fair and just?

Hopefully, if it's a *man* washed onto an island, he's already raised.

That said, I feel it's fair to say that the problem lies not with the faith, but with the faithful.

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If a man is washed onto an island and raised by wolves and dies without ever having heard of religion, or God, will he be going to hell? If so, which the bible dictates would happen, he will be spending eternity in hell because he drew the short stick on earth. How is this fair and just?

It's no more fair than if you have a pantry full of food and know that the person down the street is hungry, but you never reach out to help, or, if you know that your neighbor needs a ride to work, and it's right on your way, but you just don't want to be bothered.
If I see some children who I don't know, playing with matches around an old gas can, am I responsible if I ignore them, and the thing explodes and burn them badly.

You're not the man on the island. You have heard the message.

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I would need to make a list; no one answer would do - unless I could make it a huge open-ended one like:

Please give a comprehensive history of everything that has ever existed.

That way it would take care of all my issues such as how big is space, what is the purpose of ticks, the detailed workings of the female mind, and so on and so forth.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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If a man is washed onto an island and raised by wolves and dies without ever having heard of religion, or God, will he be going to hell? If so, which the bible dictates would happen, he will be spending eternity in hell because he drew the short stick on earth. How is this fair and just?

You don't go to hell because you've not heard the Gospel or of Jesus. You go to hell because you've lied, stolen, blasphemed, committed adultery, murdered, etc. All are guilty. The Law of the Lord is written on the hearts of all men their conscience bearing witness. If you care so much about those who haven't heard the good news, you should go tell them. You, however, have heard and will be held accountable. The more knowledge, the more accountability.

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Does this go for Mohammed?

No.

[rehmwa 2]

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It's no more fair than if you have a pantry full of food and know that the person down the street is hungry, but you never reach out to help.

obviously this is clearly solved.

first, you need that food to eat so you have the strength to lobby the government to set up a food shelter for that person. Now, the government first needs money to set up the committee to define that shelter. So tax the filthy rich (anyone making over $20K/year) at about, oh, say 48% gross will do for now - we'll need more, but this is a good start.

it takes a while to set up food shelters (and the required housing, health care and transportation) for this gentleman. So first you need to suspend certain laws to allow him to rob as needed to provide for himself until the shelter is built. It's not his fault he's hungry, remember - it's your fault.

Now, since he's a male, first, before being fed, he'll need sensitivity counseling. So that should also be supplemented.

Once he's in touch with his feminine side, any personal wrongs forgiven, and he has a nice playstation in his homes for the homeless home, he can now take the free shuttle to the food shelter and eat.

So how easy it is?

or, (scoff), you could just offer him some work and pay him (subject to employer health care, and minimum wage imposed requirements, pending OSHA environmental safety and workspace inspection, paid time off minimums, parental leave, partner health care options, etc...........) so he can buy his own meals.

maybe it really is just easier to huck out a can of hash as you drive by (but then you get sued for not also hucking out a can opener)

I'm not cynical, you are.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[pirana 0]

You do realize this will get you, once again, labeled as a Neo-con at best, a Nazi at worst.

And that's another thing. How come you always get to be the Nazi? And why do we limit ourselves to such a narrow range of put-downs? Conquistadors brutally murdered a lot of people for equally invalid reasons. Why can't we be Conquistadors instead of Nazis?

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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You don't go to hell because you've not heard the Gospel or of Jesus. You go to hell because you've lied, stolen, blasphemed, committed adultery, murdered, etc. All are guilty. The Law of the Lord is written on the hearts of all men their conscience bearing witness. If you care so much about those who haven't heard the good news, you should go tell them. You, however, have heard and will be held accountable. The more knowledge, the more accountability.

Now I GET IT!!!! Wow! The light has turned on!!! I've seen the light!!!!
My Christian neighbors hate me, therefore they keep trying to push more knowledge of their lord down my throat, because the more that I know...the greater the chance I'll go to hell.
Damn! Reverse psychology...I never would have thought that God would have stooped to such pettiness.
BTW, you may not know much about your own religion. If a man is washed onto a deserted island and doesn't know jesus, he is going to hell because he's not been baptized. As it says in John 3:4-5, "except a man born of the spirit and of the water..." Every evangelical that has ever knocked on my door, stepped into my path, handed me a pamphlet, called on my phone, sent me an email, etc have all told me that if I'm not born again, I can't escape hell. Even Mormons and Catholics say the same...if you're not baptized, you don't get in.
The only other way, is to accept jesus as your "lord n' saviour." Well...if you aren't baptized as an infant, nor heard the word of jesus, then you're definitely "going to hell." Romans 6:1-6 says the same thing. Some Christian religions even baptize live proxies in the name of dead people, just so those dead people can get into heaven.
Maybe your particular sect of Christianity has a newer, improved product over the others and doesn't require batteries/baptism?

"The law of the lord is written on the hearts of men..."
That proves the point of at least 2/3 of the world. We don't need Christianity. The laws of humanity existed long before someone came up with the concept of selling those laws as an operating manual for the product of jesus.
Even monkeys have social order. When they steal, they're punished. When they kill, they're banished. All animals have a social order. Have they read the bible, particularly the Old Testament?

Back to point, thank you for helping me see the light as to why my Benny Hinn-worshiping neighbors and relatives are constantly coming to me with bullshit. They do so with a cloak of love but the truth is, they're trying to fill me with knowledge to assure I go to hell as a result of not listening to them.

Does that sound very christ-like to you?
As I said before, the trouble lies not with the faith, but the faithful.

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And that's another thing. How come you always get to be the Nazi? And why do we limit ourselves to such a narrow range of put-downs? Conquistadors brutally murdered a lot of people for equally invalid reasons. Why can't we be Conquistadors instead of Nazis?

Well...Nazi's have a cool emblem, Conquistadors just have the cross. Given the topic, "Conquistador" is more relevant, and more importantly, enough time has passed that "Conquistador" is romantic, but "Nazi" still is pretty damning.
Piranha, I'm rolling on the floor. That was a good response. Accurate and pointed.