mnealtx 0 #101 November 9, 2006 Damn, it *was* in this thread... I've got too many windows open. My apologies.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #102 November 9, 2006 I think I have mentioned that a few times... I think right now the worst thing the Dems could do is bring about any impeachment.... leave the lame ducks alone.. and let the world court deal with them later. The CORRUPT politicians.... they need to be investigated... no matter which party.. and expunged from our midst. I would REALLY like to see ALL Lobbying by special interests.. be outlawed. Perhaps THEN the American people can be served by their elected officials.. rather than just the well monied interest groups. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #103 November 9, 2006 The absolute best thing that a majority democratic house and senate could do would be to work on legislation addressing some of the problems we have, or removing some of the crap that's out there. Make it simple legislation so that there isn't as much temptation to debate it to death, earmark it to death, or make it solve all problems with a single stroke of the pen. Just don't make it one of the "simple pay raise" bills. Maybe start with a bill doing away with the automatic pay raise. Of course, the same could be said for a majority republican house and senate. Most people would forget a whole lot of crap if they were to go back to legislating. Keeping it simple means that the people can understand what's going on without having to wade through a 700-page bill full of earmarks that allow the opposition to say they're in favor of barbequeuing puppies. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #104 November 9, 2006 QuoteThe CORRUPT politicians.... they need to be investigated... no matter which party.. and expunged from our midst. I would REALLY like to see ALL Lobbying by special interests.. be outlawed. Perhaps THEN the American people can be served by their elected officials.. rather than just the well monied interest groups. +++ I'd love to see a few things that would never happen: 1. Removal of all the lawyer-ese from bills - make them where the average person without a J.D. can read them. 2. Removal of ALL earmarks and set-asides. If it's important enough to be funded, it's important enough to get it's own bill. 3. Term limits - 2 terms, max. Go to Washington, serve your constituents and then go back home and resume your life.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #105 November 9, 2006 QuoteI'm kinda hoping some of them get to see the inside of the Hague. The key to baiting a hook is not making it look like a hook. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #107 November 11, 2006 Quote AQ and Hamas are pretty thrilled about it too, from reports I've seen. Strawman argument. Bush stills controls the military and sets policy. He's just going to have to justify it now instead of just plowing ahead regardless, and wasting lives. As for AQ and Hamas being pleased. It would be hard to imagine them being any less pleased than by the recruitment bonaza that GWB's excercises in foreign policy have been for them. The last thing they would want is the congressional oversight that's going to occur. This administration has radicalized thousands of muslims. We'll be paying that price for a generation or more, no matter who sits in the White House. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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kallend 1,623 #109 November 11, 2006 QuoteQuote AQ and Hamas are pretty thrilled about it too, from reports I've seen. Strawman argument. .... As for AQ and Hamas being pleased. It would be hard to imagine them being any less pleased than by the recruitment bonaza that GWB's excercises in foreign policy have been for them. The last thing they would want is the congressional oversight that's going to occur. . On the other hand, a rising tide lifts all boats.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #110 November 11, 2006 QuoteStrawman argument. Bush stills controls the military and sets policy. He's just going to have to justify it now instead of just plowing ahead regardless, and wasting lives. Just because you think it's a strawman doesn't make it not true - sorry.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #111 November 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteStrawman argument. Bush stills controls the military and sets policy. He's just going to have to justify it now instead of just plowing ahead regardless, and wasting lives. Just because you think it's a strawman doesn't make it not true - sorry. You're going to have to try a little harder than that if you want to be taken seriously. Have a go at explaining your original assertion that Al Qaeda and Hamas are pleased at the change of control in Congress, and how they profit from congressional oversight. As you know, argument by assertion really isn't that convincing. As a bonus, the war is lost. Both republicans and democrats agree on this in principle. The question now is not how it can be won, but how the US can withdraw as gracefully as possible with the least amount of bloodshed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #112 November 12, 2006 QuoteAs a bonus, the war is lost. Both republicans and democrats agree on this in principle. The question now is not how it can be won, but how the US can withdraw as gracefully as possible with the least amount of bloodshed. And the least amount of political embarassment. Like VN, we want to look as if we accomplished mission, not that we got our asses handed to us ater a botched attempt to redesign their government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #113 November 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteAs a bonus, the war is lost. Both republicans and democrats agree on this in principle. The question now is not how it can be won, but how the US can withdraw as gracefully as possible with the least amount of bloodshed. And the least amount of political embarassment. Like VN, we want to look as if we accomplished mission, not that we got our asses handed to us ater a botched attempt to redesign their government. On the bright side "The Bush Doctrine" is clearly dead.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #114 November 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteAs a bonus, the war is lost. Both republicans and democrats agree on this in principle. The question now is not how it can be won, but how the US can withdraw as gracefully as possible with the least amount of bloodshed. And the least amount of political embarassment. Like VN, we want to look as if we accomplished mission, not that we got our asses handed to us ater a botched attempt to redesign their government. On the bright side "The Bush Doctrine" is clearly dead. Yes, will someone bury it, it's starting to stink. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #115 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteStrawman argument. Bush stills controls the military and sets policy. He's just going to have to justify it now instead of just plowing ahead regardless, and wasting lives. Just because you think it's a strawman doesn't make it not true - sorry. You're going to have to try a little harder than that if you want to be taken seriously. Have a go at explaining your original assertion that Al Qaeda and Hamas are pleased at the change of control in Congress, and how they profit from congressional oversight. Like this? QuoteAs a bonus, the war is lost. Both republicans and democrats agree on this in principle. The question now is not how it can be won, but how the US can withdraw as gracefully as possible with the least amount of bloodshed. Yes, let's give them what they want and they'll leave us alone... AQ never bothered us again after we bailed on Somalia, right? From a CNN interview with OBL: QuoteBIN LADEN: We experienced the Americans through our brothers who went into combat against them in Somalia, for example. We found they had no power worthy of mention. There was a huge aura over America -- the United States -- that terrified people even before they entered combat. Our brothers who were here in Afghanistan tested them, and together with some of the mujahedeen in Somalia, God granted them victory. America exited dragging its tails in failure, defeat, and ruin, caring for nothing.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
