There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998

[brenthutch 383]

10 hours ago, kallend said:

Meanwhile in Antarctica:
 

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/21/808187601/-antarctica-melts-nasa-says-showing-effects-of-record-heat

 

Where there was a white ice cap, there are now brown blotches of land; melted snow and ice have created ponds of water. Those are the effects of the recent record high temperatures in Antarctica, according to NASA, which on Friday released stunning before-and-after satellite images of the northern Antarctic Peninsula.

Talk about not reading the whole article...….

The bottom line was

"This is a weather event," she says of the recent warm spell."

[BIGUN 1,050]

Just popped up on my newsfeed. Interesting read.

 https://scitechdaily.com/methane-emitted-by-humans-vastly-underestimated-powerful-greenhouse-gas-is-large-contributor-to-global-warming/

 

[brenthutch 383]

5 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Just popped up on my newsfeed. Interesting read.

 https://scitechdaily.com/methane-emitted-by-humans-vastly-underestimated-powerful-greenhouse-gas-is-large-contributor-to-global-warming/

 

Its even worse that we thought

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=7598

[BIGUN 1,050]

6 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Its even worse that we thought

"that" we thought.

OR

"than" we thought. 

[billvon 2,384]

More "winning" for BH:

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Climate change is drying up the Colorado River, putting millions at risk of 'severe water shortages'

Many communities in the Southwest will suffer if the river continues to decline.

WQAD

Updated: 6:43 PM CST February 22, 2020

   The Colorado River -- which provides water to more than 40 million people from Denver to Los Angeles -- has seen its flow dwindle by 20 percent compared to the last century, and scientists have found that climate change is mainly to blame.

The researchers found that more than half of the decline in the river's flow is connected to increasing temperatures, and as warming continues, they say the risk of "severe water shortages" for the millions that rely on it is expected to grow.

For each 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit of warming averaged across the river's basin, the study found that its flow has decreased by nearly 10%. Over the course of the 20th and early 21st centuries, the region has already warmed by an average of roughly 1.6 degrees Fahrenheit.

. . . .

Global warming is taking a severe toll on the snowpack that feeds the river, the scientists found. As temperatures increase, snow cover in the region is declining, meaning less energy from the sun is reflected back into space and more warms the ground as heat.

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[JerryBaumchen 1,047]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

Global warming is taking a severe toll on the snowpack that feeds the river,

Hi Bill,

IMO this is where it will impact us first.  We all need a water source to survive.

Jerry Baumchen

[brenthutch 383]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-02/california-snowpack-measurement-2020-boosted-recent-storms

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/02/15/colorado-snowpack-winter-2020/

"well above average"

Edited February 23, 2020 by brenthutch

[turtlespeed 212]

23 hours ago, BIGUN said:

"that" we thought.

OR

"than" we thought. 

Freudian?

[turtlespeed 212]

Because it seems that the driving force behind some deniers motives is what if . . .

I submit this to the deniers:

[brenthutch 383]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Because it seems that the driving force behind some deniers motives is what if . . .

I submit this to the deniers:

Fracking gives us energy independence, reduces CO2 footprint, creates jobs, is cleaner than coal, etc etc

[JoeWeber 2,294]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

Fracking gives us energy independence, reduces CO2 footprint, creates jobs, is cleaner than coal, etc etc

Fracking = Good. 800 ppm CO2 = Bad. Feedback loops = Bad. No idea how to control runaway greenhouse effects = bad.

[wmw999 2,116]

Remember the mentality that there is no cost that money can’t buy; there is no waste that can’t be thrown overboard. 

After all, it’s a big ocean and a big world, and everything and everyone can be bought. 

Wendy P. 

[billvon 2,384]

3 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Fracking gives us energy independence, reduces CO2 footprint, creates jobs, is cleaner than coal, etc etc

And slavery gave us cotton, food, jobs, massive exports and even more massive wealth.  But it had a few long term downsides.

[brenthutch 383]

8 hours ago, billvon said:

And slavery gave us cotton, food, jobs, massive exports and even more massive wealth.  But it had a few long term downsides.

Sooooo..... using fossil fuels is like smoking, eating Big Macs, hammer vasectomies and now it is like slavery?  You need to get some help.

[DJL 232]

11 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Fracking gives us energy independence, reduces CO2 footprint, creates jobs, is cleaner than coal, etc etc

You're not listing good reference points.

Renewables (not biofuel or biomass):

Create energy independence.

Reduce CO2 footprint MORE.

Create jobs.

Are cleaner than coal so much that this is even ridiculous to list.

Don't come with the downside of a rise in methane emissions.

Etc, etc.

Edit: The real downside is the methane.  Fracking for Gas is otherwise the least of the fossil fuels.

Edited February 26, 2020 by DJL

[brenthutch 383]

You failed to mention just how expensive all of that “free” energy can be.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/05/06/the-reason-renewables-cant-power-modern-civilization-is-because-they-were-never-meant-to/#63ab38bea2b9

[DJL 232]

2 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

You failed to mention just how expensive all of that “free” energy can be.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/05/06/the-reason-renewables-cant-power-modern-civilization-is-because-they-were-never-meant-to/#63ab38bea2b9

You're quoting a person who makes a living promoting nuke energy and trying to squash renewables.  Yes, the messenger again.  But yes, renewables can be more expensive.  Burning rocks we dig out of the ground is cheaper but I think you know why you don't heat your house with a furnace containing rocks we dug out of the ground.  Nuke energy is more expensive but it's a great way to make a shit-ton of energy with with few emissions so I like it.

Anyway, we've talked about this guy and his points and blah blah blah before so we're just going in circles.  When Bernie is President and VP AOC sends the jackboots to take your Tocoma so you're forced to drive an electric powered Vespa all will be right in the world.

[brenthutch 383]

1 hour ago, DJL said:

Burning rocks we dig out of the ground is cheaper but I think you know why you don't heat your house with a furnace containing rocks we dug out of the ground.  

I do heat my house with a furnace that burns rocks we dug out of the ground.  Those rocks power my refrigerator as well.

[DJL 232]

9 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I do heat my house with a furnace that burns rocks we dug out of the ground.  Those rocks power my refrigerator as well.

You don't literally have a coal burning furnace in your house, that's your power plant.

[turtlespeed 212]

3 hours ago, DJL said:

You don't literally have a coal burning furnace in your house, that's your power plant.

Perhaps he should get one.

[turtlespeed 212]

Here is another denier.

 

[kallend 1,621]

It's not the Sun after all!

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236103-major-science-journal-retracts-study-blaming-climate-change-on-the-sun/

[DJL 232]

33 minutes ago, kallend said:

It's not the Sun after all!

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236103-major-science-journal-retracts-study-blaming-climate-change-on-the-sun/

No surprise that we saw this "solar cycles" echoes by the usual cast:

Brenthutch:

 

[billvon 2,384]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

It's not the Sun after all!

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236103-major-science-journal-retracts-study-blaming-climate-change-on-the-sun/

I am shocked!  Shocked, I tell you! 

[SkyDekker 1,121]

3 hours ago, kallend said:

It's not the Sun after all!

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236103-major-science-journal-retracts-study-blaming-climate-change-on-the-sun/

Clearly the Deep State reacting and forcing this retraction.

(I think maybe I am getting my conspiracy theories mixed. is there a deep State in climate change?)