kallend 1,623 #1501 February 14, 2020 Warmest January on record: https://www.noaa.gov/news/january-2020-was-earth-s-hottest-january-on-record February 13, 2020 In the span of 141 years of climate records, there has never been a warmer January than last month, according to scientists at NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1502 February 14, 2020 (edited) By, a meaningless 0.02 degrees Not to mention it was warmer a thousand years ago. Edited February 14, 2020 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #1503 February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, brenthutch said: By, a meaningless 0.02 degrees Not to mention it was warmer a thousand years ago. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1504 February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, kallend said: More like Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1505 February 14, 2020 30 minutes ago, kallend said: Warmest January on record: https://www.noaa.gov/news/january-2020-was-earth-s-hottest-january-on-record February 13, 2020 In the span of 141 years of climate records, there has never been a warmer January than last month, according to scientists at NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information. According to NOAA it took FOUR YEARS FOR THE PLANET TO HEAT 0.02 DEGREES?!?!?!?! Obviously climate sensitivity to CO2 is not as much as the alarmist claimed. Oh, look at what I found...…SCIENCE https://www.scirp.org/pdf/acs_2020011611163731.pdf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1506 February 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, brenthutch said: According to NOAA it took FOUR YEARS FOR THE PLANET TO HEAT 0.02 DEGREES?!?!?!?! You really have no idea how much energy that is, do you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1507 February 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, DJL said: You really have no idea how much energy that is, do you. About forty billion napalm bombs, or not quite as much as there was a thousand years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1508 February 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, brenthutch said: About forty billion napalm bombs, or not quite as much as there was a thousand years ago. 1000 years ago? It's warmer now than it was 1000 years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #1509 February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, DJL said: 1000 years ago? It's warmer now than it was 1000 years ago. Average global temperature in modern times is measured through special thermometers aboard ships, buoys and a number of weather stations functioning all over the world. However, determining how hot or cold it was more than a few centuries ago is not nearly as easy, given that there are limited resources available to us that can conclusively ascertain past weather conditions with any degree of certainty. In fact, the data obtained from modern instrumental temperature records also accounts for only the past 150 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1510 February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, airdvr said: Average global temperature in modern times is measured through special thermometers aboard ships, buoys and a number of weather stations functioning all over the world. However, determining how hot or cold it was more than a few centuries ago is not nearly as easy, given that there are limited resources available to us that can conclusively ascertain past weather conditions with any degree of certainty. In fact, the data obtained from modern instrumental temperature records also accounts for only the past 150 years. So to recap the conversation: Kallend: Hottest January on Record. Brenthutch: It was hotter 1000 years ago! DJL: Here's a record of world temperatures for the last 2000 years and no it wasn't. airdvr: Hold your horses, we don't have accurate records past 150 years ago, there's no way you can make a claim like that! Did I get that right? Brenthutch, you're up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #1512 February 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, DJL said: So to recap the conversation: Kallend: Hottest January on Record. Brenthutch: It was hotter 1000 years ago! DJL: Here's a record of world temperatures for the last 2000 years and no it wasn't. airdvr: Hold your horses, we don't have accurate records past 150 years ago, there's no way you can make a claim like that! Did I get that right? Brenthutch, you're up. Well you could be up if you'd like Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1513 February 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, brenthutch said: I'm no expert on colors and lines and whatnot and so forth but I believe your graph is missing a bit of information. But don't fret because one google image search later I've found your graph it's from: "Oxygen isotope curve from the GISP2 Greenland ice core. (Red ¼ warm, blue ¼ cool.) Plotted from data by Grootes, P.M., Stuiver, M., 1997. Oxygen 18/16 variability in Greenland snow and ice with 103 to 105 eyear time resolution. Journal of Geophysical Research 102, 26455e26470 data." http://myweb.wwu.edu/dbunny/pdfs/Evid_Based_Climate_Sci/2016_Ev_Based_Climate_Sci_Chap21_Using_climate_cycle_patterns_to_predict_dje.pdf So thank you for showing us that temperatures for Greenland dating to about 250 years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1515 February 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, brenthutch said: I'm not sure what what a graph of Ice Age Temperature Changes over the last 450,000 years is supposed to indicate. Also, out of curiosity, are you getting your information from scientists? I thought you said only like 3% of scientists are right about anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1516 February 14, 2020 https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/medieval-warm-period Better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1517 February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, brenthutch said: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/medieval-warm-period Better? Your link even says that the claims that the Medieval Warm Period was warmer are contentious and the example data is primarily greenland and the arctic. It is certainly a fact that the Northern Hemisphere had a period of unusual warmth. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16892-natural-mechanism-for-medieval-warming-discovered/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,297 #1518 February 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, DJL said: Your link even says that the claims that the Medieval Warm Period was warmer are contentious and the example data is primarily greenland and the arctic. It is certainly a fact that the Northern Hemisphere had a period of unusual warmth. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16892-natural-mechanism-for-medieval-warming-discovered/ DJL, Those Roman and Medieval warm periods were, ostensibly, caused by other than elevated levels of CO2, right? So, and without crediting his example as valid, another one of those and elevated CO2 levels might cause a bit of a feedback loop problem, yes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #1519 February 14, 2020 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: According to NOAA it took FOUR YEARS FOR THE PLANET TO HEAT 0.02 DEGREES?!?!?!?! Obviously climate sensitivity to CO2 is not as much as the alarmist claimed. Oh, look at what I found...…SCIENCE https://www.scirp.org/pdf/acs_2020011611163731.pdf Probably worthwhile to note the author is an Electrical Engineer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,393 #1520 February 14, 2020 45 minutes ago, DJL said: I'm no expert on colors and lines and whatnot and so forth but I believe your graph is missing a bit of information. Of course. Once you have too much information, you are at risk for science comprehension, followed by ejection from the Trump party. It's a risky thing, information. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1521 February 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Probably worthwhile to note the author is an Electrical Engineer. If you can’t handle the message, attack/diminish the messenger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aonsquared 9 #1522 February 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, brenthutch said: If you can’t handle the message, attack/diminish the messenger. You do that a lot...so the person who can't handle the message is you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1523 February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: If you can’t handle the message, attack/diminish the messenger. He lists "The Climate" as a hobby on his own website. Sounds like a good source. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #1524 February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: If you can’t handle the message, attack/diminish the messenger. I did neither, it was a pure statement of fact. It is however telling you were unable to recognize that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #1525 February 14, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, DJL said: You really have no idea how much energy that is, do you. With a warming rate of 0.02 degrees in four years, it will take three centuries before we reach the "dangerous" threshold of 1.5 degrees. Again not a big deal in my book. Edited February 14, 2020 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
