tlipiec 0 #1 March 3, 2017 Afternoon everyone, In short: I'm looking at a side-project of helmet design & manufacturing (which, if everything goes well, hopefully turns into something bigger). I've been in sport for about 6 years, which gave ma quite a good idea what I'd like to see, but it's not out there yet. If anyone fancies sharing their opinions on what would make a "perfect helmet design", please comment (and depending on type of helmet, quote which type are you referring to): 1) Student / newly licensed helmet 2) All-around camera-friendly helmet 3) Helmet dedicated to professional camera flyers 4) BASE / Speedflying helmet 5a) Full-face helmet for general use 5b) Camera-friendly Full-Face (i.e. with cut-away system, possibly camera platform) 6) Any other helmet not specified above Muchos Gracias & Blue skies!# 2092 Stay away from the rivers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dpreguy 14 #3 March 8, 2017 One obvious improvement, sorely needed, is to design a helmet with the camera inside of it. Cameras are small enough now to do that. One guy (saw it on dz.com) took a smartphone apart and put the camera part inside with the lens being just behind a small hole.. Can you do that with a new small camera? (Without taking the camera apart) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #4 March 8, 2017 I don't know why most helmets don't have an open ear hole,,,,Hearing under canopy is mighty important...any idea's ?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,131 #5 March 8, 2017 QuoteI don't know why most helmets don't have an open ear hole,,,,Hearing under canopy is mighty important...any idea's ? Probably because protecting your hearing long term is also important. Depending on hearing under canopy is only for CRW. It's not dependable enough for anything else.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianM 1 #6 March 8, 2017 dpreguyOne obvious improvement, sorely needed, is to design a helmet with the camera inside of it. Cameras are small enough now to do that. One guy (saw it on dz.com) took a smartphone apart and put the camera part inside with the lens being just behind a small hole.. Can you do that with a new small camera? (Without taking the camera apart) http://www.skyvisionpara.com/acheter-skyvision.html"It's amazing what you can learn while you're not talking." - Skydivesg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sammielu 3 #7 March 8, 2017 ^ yes. More of those. Full face helmet with internal gopro mount and as much peripheral vision as you can give me, and a cutaway system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T_C 0 #8 March 9, 2017 A helmet that offers some real protection would be good. Not a $500 camera mount with a chincup. Something certified to ski/paraglide/mountaineering standards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BH_Composites 0 #9 March 9, 2017 Our CRW X-Sport has open ears and mesh on the ear opening for better hearing for CRW dogs.Bonehead Composites (951) 943-1166 www.boneheadcomposites.com www.facebook.com/boneheadcomposites Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wan2doit 6 #10 March 10, 2017 Maybe drill a hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dpreguy 14 #11 March 10, 2017 I appreciate the picture of the Gopro built in. Yes a step in the right direction. But, what I am envisioning is a helmet without protrusions and bumps and warpy looking top bulges like the one pictured. That the observer couldn't tell any difference between a helmet with or without the camera inside it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JP_1337 0 #12 March 10, 2017 dpreguyI appreciate the picture of the Gopro built in. Yes a step in the right direction. But, what I am envisioning is a helmet without protrusions and bumps and warpy looking top bulges like the one pictured. That the observer couldn't tell any difference between a helmet with or without the camera inside it. I'm only a new jumper, but I don't quite agree with you on this point. Yes, I agree that something could be made to look much sleeker than the pictures in the link, however I think some bulge is both necessary and a good idea. Off the shelf cameras, such as gopros and other compact action cams are not yet small enough that they could be fitted into a helmet without either modifying the shell of the helmet or modifying your skull, and a special tiny camera specific to the helmet just wouldn't be a great idea. To make a small enough camera that matches the quality of action cams out on the market already would be prohibitively expensive unless you make in such extreme bulk as the likes of gopro or sony. I love the idea of the camera mount molded into the helmet shell, as it eliminates snag risks and could look real slick if done well. But I would prefer a bulge in the helmet to provide room for the cam rather than a dent in my head...._____ SPLAT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddingo 21 #13 March 10, 2017 T_CA helmet that offers some real protection would be good. Not a $500 camera mount with a chincup. Something certified to ski/paraglide/mountaineering standards. Tonfly made it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 80 #14 March 11, 2017 T_CA helmet that offers some real protection would be good. Not a $500 camera mount with a chincup. Something certified to ski/paraglide/mountaineering standards. +1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deimian 43 #15 March 12, 2017 Maddingo***A helmet that offers some real protection would be good. Not a $500 camera mount with a chincup. Something certified to ski/paraglide/mountaineering standards. Tonfly made it Halfway. It is a sky helmet with an audible pocket (just solo, optima, quattro and protrack II) in the right ear. I was excited when I saw the teaser on FB, but I was expecting more. There isn't a proper cutaway, chincup, left audible pocket or any snag-resistant camera mount. There are sky helmets EN 1077 certified for less than 1/10th of the price (in decathlon, 30€) of the ICE. For sure they aren't as beautiful as the ICE, but paying 360€ for a left audible pocket, a headband cover, an a fancier chinstrap doesn't seem to me like a reason to be satisfied. To me it looks like an overpriced sky helmet or a protective skydiving helmet for basic needs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 80 #16 March 14, 2017 Deimian******A helmet that offers some real protection would be good. Not a $500 camera mount with a chincup. Something certified to ski/paraglide/mountaineering standards. Tonfly made it Halfway. It is a sky helmet with an audible pocket (just solo, optima, quattro and protrack II) in the right ear. I was excited when I saw the teaser on FB, but I was expecting more. There isn't a proper cutaway, chincup, left audible pocket or any snag-resistant camera mount. There are sky helmets EN 1077 certified for less than 1/10th of the price (in decathlon, 30€) of the ICE. For sure they aren't as beautiful as the ICE, but paying 360€ for a left audible pocket, a headband cover, an a fancier chinstrap doesn't seem to me like a reason to be satisfied. To me it looks like an overpriced sky helmet or a protective skydiving helmet for basic needs. I checked out Tonfly's website, and with all things skydiving YES it's overpriced! That being said the tried and true PRO TEC helmet offers protection and a VERY nice price. Sexy it's not but what's more important??? Tonfly offers several models and all look pretty customizable... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddingo 21 #17 March 14, 2017 Yes, I agree it is overpriced but some people do not realise that such helmet is already on the market place. :) I also believe that if there won't be a lot of sales they Will drop the price in time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anachronist 2 #18 March 14, 2017 Open face market is completely saturated from protecs to ski/snow helmets, to Cookie and Tonfly. Full face is the only place for significant improvement. In order of importance: 1- < $300 (< $200 even better). 2- Removable and user replaceable liners. 3- Real protection. Integrated cameras are stupid and won't sell. Reasons: 1 - You can only integrate shitty cameras (every GoPro is shitty). 2.0 - Shitty camera probably married to helmet, need to replace one? Have to replace both... 2.1 - Zero angle or placement adjustment due to marriage. 3 - You can count on one hand the number of people that have died from GoPro entanglements (not counting 3ft poles, but integration doesn't fix that problem). You can probably still count them on one hand even including the 3ft poles. E.g. it is a non-issue. 4 - I'm sure I'm not the only person that thinks they look stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites