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Some good news for a change - biodiesel

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Some good news on the fuel front -


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Minnesota becomes first US state to require biodiesel

Wed Sep 28, 1:08 PM ET

MINNEAPOLIS, United States (AFP) - Minnesota will from Thursday demand that all diesel fuel sold in the US state be partly distilled from soybeans in a bid to take a bite out of the nation's appetite for crude oil.

The northern state is the first in the United States to pass a law to promote biodiesel, fuel made from agricultural oils and fats, said Ralph Groschen, senior marketing specialist at the Minnesota
Department of Agriculture.

The new mandate comes as the cost of oil hovers around 65 dollars a barrel. Car fuel prices have hit three dollars a gallon at times in the United States -- having risen more than 80 percent in the past three years -- while two hurricanes have disrupted fuel production in the Gulf of Mexico
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It's a small step, but it sure would be nice to someday depend on US farmers instead of Saudi sheiks.

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I agree, that's good news. I drive a diesel pick-up and have been interested in bio-diesel for a while now but not enough so to make it myself like some people do. I've done some research on it and from what I've read one of the bigger drawbacks is that it congeals at a lot higher temp than regular diesel. Not sure I've got a point, just thinking about those balmy Minnesota winters.


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1 - Position sponsored by the midwest soybean growers or;

2 - What? The market driving demand for alternative energy sources? I thought the government had to force it with huge taxes and floggings?

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2 - What? The market driving demand for alternative energy sources? I thought the government had to force it with huge taxes and floggings?



This is an example of the govt. forcing use of an alternative energy source by passing a law requiring diesel to contain bio-oil.

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2 - What? The market driving demand for alternative energy sources? I thought the government had to force it with huge taxes and floggings?



This is an example of the govt. forcing use of an alternative energy source by passing a law requiring diesel to contain bio-oil.



"Minnesota will from Thursday demand that all diesel fuel sold in the US "

Actually - This is an example of an ineffective gesture of a State to try to mandate a national law. How do we enforce it Except within the state borders? - which, if I recall, state required special gas formulations in California has had such a great:S effect on national supply and standardization of refinery requirements.

But still, they mean well and hopefully someone will realize that as oil prices go up, the demand to develop alternative sources will become financially attractive. It only works if it comes from the US congress, even then I'm not certain if it's the right thing to do, even though I wouldn't fault the intent of such a law and would be interested in seeing how it implements.

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The University of Missouri has a car that runs on hemp fuel. Hemp is the most versatile of all plants as its uses are virtually limitless. The Feds refuse to aknowledge that this one plant is the answer to our energy woes. Hemp can be cultivated with virtually no pesticides and does not leach the soil as cotton and soybean does. Hemp was a mainstay in this country up untill the Feds started waging war on marijuana. The founders of our country encouraged farmers to grow hemp. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights were written on hemp. Bring back hemp and save the planet.
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This is an example of the govt. forcing use of an alternative energy source by passing a law requiring diesel to contain bio-oil.



"Minnesota will from Thursday demand that all diesel fuel sold in the US "



You completely ignored the word STATE that followed US in your quote.

"Minnesota will from Thursday demand that all diesel fuel sold in the US state."

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You quote:

"Minnesota will from Thursday demand that all diesel fuel sold in the US"

What is actually written is:

"Minnesota will from Thursday demand that all diesel fuel sold in the US state"

That last word is quite important. It changes the whole law from some rediculous and illegal farce into something which could actually be legally binding.

Anyway, irrespective of whether or not the law can work or will turn out to be inneffective, it's still a very real example of a state government attempting to force the use of alternative energy sources... kinda the opposite of what you were trying to get at with your point number two above.

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Hemp is the most versatile of all plants as its uses are virtually limitless. The Feds refuse to aknowledge that this one plant is the answer to our energy woes. Hemp can be cultivated with virtually no pesticides and does not leach the soil as cotton and soybean does. Hemp was a mainstay in this country up untill the Feds started waging war on marijuana. The founders of our country encouraged farmers to grow hemp. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights were written on hemp. Bring back hemp and save the planet.



This stinks of Jack Herer's The Emperor Wears No Clothes. Herer brings forth many facts, but overstates his case many times, which brings question to the credibility of the entire work.

Ed Rosenthal tends to offer more objective facts about hemp.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for legalizing hemp. It is a great renewable resource that offers great promise. I just think that Herer, while attempting to do good, has actually done his cause a disservice.

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That last word is quite important. It changes the whole law from some rediculous and illegal farce into something which could actually be legally binding.



Yeah, I did :$. Just goes to show that Billvon is only one to pull that off frequently....

But you did ignore this part which still relates "which, if I recall, state required special gas formulations in California has had such a great effect on national supply and standardization of refinery requirements. "

I am not excited about my state following in the footsteps of that messed up state.

It's a mess. A well intentioned mess, but still a mess. But I hope it ends up somewhere improved. Maybe I should start marketing my water powered engine now. It's cheap to make, but the market doesn't have to know that for now.

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Maybe I should start marketing my water powered engine now.



The water powered engine is easy. The hard part is how to seperate the hydrogen and oxygen atoms in real time with less energy than what can be obtained from the water, or, at least less expensively, or in a less polluting manner.

If you have solved that problem, PLEASE market the thing!

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Damn, he's on to me. Well, I still have the weather control device in the works. And the time control machine is almost done (It runs on water).

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...and more good news

WASHINGTON, D.C., Sep 28 (OneWorld) - Energy drawn from the wind, tide, sun, Earth's heat, and farm waste is poised to begin replacing oil and other fossil fuels, a prominent research group said Wednesday in a wake-up call to industry executives and government officials worldwide.

''Energy markets are about to experience a seismic shift,'' Christopher Flavin, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Worldwatch Institute, said in a speech to oil executives and energy ministers in Johannesburg, South Africa, site of the 18th World Petroleum Congress.

''The question for oil executives is whether you're in the oil business or the energy business.''

The conference's 5,000 participants included ExxonMobil President Rex Tillerson and Saudi Arabian Oil Minister Ali Al-Naimi, Worldwatch said.

To be sure, oil accounts for about 30 percent of the world's energy use while renewable energy sources make up a slim two percent. However, according to Flavin, the market share of renewable energy sources was growing apace.

Unlike fossil fuels, of which there is a limited supply, renewable energy--including solar, wind, and geothermal power and biofuels--is derived from sources that are continually replaced.

Most renewable energies are non-polluting. By contrast, scientists say the burning of fossil fuels contributes to global warming, which in turn drives the increased incidence and intensity of major storms such as hurricanes Katrina and Rita.

Flavin spoke against a backdrop of soaring oil prices and demand. World oil consumption increased by 3.4 percent in 2004, the fastest rise in 16 years, Worldwatch said earlier this year in a report citing U.N., industry, and other sources.

However, the research group added, oil production is falling in 33 of the 48 largest oil-producing countries. These include six of the 11 members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries ( OPEC).

In the continental United States, the think tank said, oil production peaked at eight million barrels per day in 1970 and fell to 2.9 million barrels daily last year.

Production of biofuels, wind power, and solar energy are all growing at rates of 20-30 percent per year, compared with growth rates of around two percent for oil and gas, Flavin said.

The costs of renewable energy were falling fast, news reports Wednesday quoted Flavin as telling the conference. Wind power cost 46 cents per kilowatt-hour in 1980 but now costs less than six cents.

New energy sources are attracting roughly $30 billion in investment annually, he added, with Brazil, China, Germany, Japan, and California leading the emerging market.

''Already, 35 million homes in China get their hot water from solar collectors. That is more than the rest of the world combined,'' Flavin told the Reuters news agency in Johannesburg.

''There are prospects for real take-offs in solar and wind power in China, and not just hot water for homes but in industry,'' he added. ''State-owned industries and private companies there are investing heavily in renewables.''

Renewable sources account for 25 percent of Sweden's energy use and 45 percent in Norway. The United States lagged behind, with only 4.2 percent of its energy consumption coming from renewable sources.

Energy companies and governments were driving growth in renewables, Flavin said, with firms including Royal Dutch Shell Group, BP, and Mitsubishi among the major players.

Additionally, 48 countries now have policies and incentives promoting renewable energy, he added.

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That is good news. I wish every state would do this. Biodiesel is a great way to reduce emissions and our dependence upon crude - the infrastructure is already there. Semi's, many trucks, and many commercial vessels all use diesels. Just think what would happen if all of them were running on biodiesel vice regular diesel. Even with a B20 mix, I believe the impact would be significant.

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Not to detrack from the importance of switching away from petroleum fuels, but I was under the impression that the net energy from biodiesel was negative (ie more energy is put in than comes out) .
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Damn, he's on to me. Well, I still have the weather control device in the works. And the time control machine is almost done (It runs on water).



Pathetic devices, giving only local control.

My device changes global weather patterns and can cause hurricanes a continent away.
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Damn, he's on to me. Well, I still have the weather control device in the works. And the time control machine is almost done (It runs on water).



Pathetic devices, giving only local control.

My device changes global weather patterns and can cause hurricanes a continent away.



ooooh - elegant, simple, the control system looks almost primitive. maybe it'll 'evolve'

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Hadn't heard that about ethanol, Bill. How did they manage that? Got any details? Cool as hell that they did. Ethanol has the same advantage as biodiesel with regards to an existing infrastructure for distribution.

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