billvon 2,396 #226 April 20, 2005 >Mexico is practically a third world country, so we can see what how > Mexicans manage their own country. With enough illegal Mexicans > the US is only going to go one direction, DOWN. This has been predicted for every single group that's come to the US. The jews, the poles, the irish, the italians, and now the puerto ricans and the mexicans. We have survived (indeed, prospered) in every case. In the end, it turns out that the additional diversity a new people affords us is a good thing, not a bad thing. When my grandparents got here to the US, there was a huge anti-Irish bias. "Irish need not apply," read most of the job ads in the paper. It took him over a year to get a job as a city mechanic; nobody wanted him, because everyone knew he was just another dirt-poor, drunk Irishman. Nowadays, if someone started in on those 'drunken, lazy, good for nothing Irish" people would look at him funny and wonder who peed in his beer. I agree that there is a problem with _illegal_ immigration, and I'd be all for a way for more people to legally come here to work, while keeping the illegal ones out. But the problem is that they are illegally crossing the border, not that they're mexican. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #227 April 20, 2005 Von Novac is Irish? Could have fooled me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #228 April 20, 2005 >Von Novac is Irish? Could have fooled me 50% Irish, 25% Italian, 18% Austrian (that's where von Novak comes from) with 6% French. As far as I can tell. Grandparents names were McKeever, O'Brien, von Novak and Rosario. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikki_ZH 0 #229 April 20, 2005 Quote *** The bottom line is that we don't need them, they are not welcome here, and that they are IN FACT, ILLEGAL. Thank goodness there are still plenty of Americans who are willing to stand up for the USA and defend its borders. Mexico is practically a third world country, so we can see what how Mexicans manage their own country. With enough illegal Mexicans the US is only going to go one direction, DOWN. Wow, strong words... But Mexicans are very friendly people and that is why your are always welcome here if you want to do some nice BASE Jumping. Check out www.mexbase.com or contact Jay for one of his Boogies in this 3 world country...Michi (#1068) hsbc/gba/sba www.swissbaseassociation.ch www.michibase.ch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #230 April 20, 2005 Quote'drunken, lazy, good for nothing Irish" Well, at least I can sort-of skydive... ...as long as I haven't been drinkin'illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #231 April 20, 2005 QuoteMcKeever, O'Brien, von Novak and Rosario Isn't that a personal injury law firm in Jersey? I thought I saw their late night commercials, but I could be wrong. Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #232 April 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteMcKeever, O'Brien, von Novak and Rosario Isn't that a personal injury law firm in Jersey? I thought I saw their late night commercials, but I could be wrong. Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Naw.. you are thinking of Dewey, Cheatham and Howe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treejumps 0 #233 April 20, 2005 You are correct Bill, but unlike every group that has come before them, the Mexicans are not here to assimilate into the American way. That is why you have to choose between English and Spanish at ATMs now. They want to have our cake and eat it too. I'm all for legal immigration and agree that part of what has made America great is that we are made up of the those seeking a better life, and those willing to do soemthing to get it. I don't see the wave of Mexican illegals pouring into our country trying to follow that ocurse. As a group they are not trying to learn our language. It is damaging our schools and our country as a whole. I support legal immigration, but I demand that we require those who want the fruits of our country's labor to learn the language and to want to be an American. I do not want 2 or 3 million mexicans who flaunt our laws and want only to make America another Mexico. MexBase- Yes there are great people and places in Mexico, but as a whole, the country is a pretty big mess. Widespread coruption, crime, poverty, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #234 April 20, 2005 >but unlike every group that has come before them, the Mexicans are not >here to assimilate into the American way. That's what was said about all the other groups. Irish are drunks. Italians are all into organized crime; why allow criminals into the US who don't care about becoming americans? >It is damaging our schools and our country as a whole. Yeah, LA and San Diego are ghost towns now that there are large mexican populations there. >I support legal immigration, but I demand that we require those who want > the fruits of our country's labor to learn the language and to want to be >an American. You have no right to impose your will on legal visitors or other US citizens. They can speak any language they choose, just as you can. >I do not want 2 or 3 million mexicans who flaunt our laws and want only >to make America another Mexico. And I don't want the US to be made up of people ignorant of other cultures who can only speak one language. But that's just my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #235 April 20, 2005 OK, enough of that lovey-dovey. Let's get this thread back to it's intended purpose: bashing the ACLU. Jimbo's Article and so on... INVASION USA ACLU smoking dope at border? Minutemen say photos show 'legal observers' getting high and so forth... INVASION USA ACLU aiding illegal entry into U.S.? Minuteman spokesman charges group with criminal activity etc... INVASION USA Minuteman Project expanding to 4 states Civilian monitors will also target employers that hire illegal alienswitty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #236 April 21, 2005 Quote>I support legal immigration, but I demand that we require those who want > the fruits of our country's labor to learn the language and to want to be >an American. You have no right to impose your will on legal visitors or other US citizens. They can speak any language they choose, just as you can. But we CAN make all Government papers in English..Why should we have to pay to have papers made in another language ? If I moved to France I would Learn French, not demand that they speak English. QuoteAnd I don't want the US to be made up of people ignorant of other cultures who can only speak one language. But that's just my opinion. You can be aware, and even speak other language ...But still want the main language in your country to be the Original language"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyz 0 #237 April 21, 2005 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2026&ncid=2026&e=4&u=/latimests/20050421/ts_latimes/borderwatchgrouptostoppatrols Funny they packed up right when it was getting warm here! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #238 April 21, 2005 >But we CAN make all Government papers in English..Why should we >have to pay to have papers made in another language ? I agree. English is the official language. Local towns can choose to add other languages if it's appropriate, and the people paying for it (i.e. the people paying taxes to the town) approve. But the basis should always be english. >If I moved to France I would Learn French, not demand that they speak English. No problem there. Fortunately for you, airports often have multilingual signs, even though the primary language is french. >But still want the main language in your country to be the Original language. You want us to all speak Cherokee? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #239 April 21, 2005 QuoteI agree. English is the official language. Local towns can choose to add other languages if it's appropriate, and the people paying for it (i.e. the people paying taxes to the town) approve. But the basis should always be english. Wow, we agree. Quote>If I moved to France I would Learn French, not demand that they speak English. No problem there. Fortunately for you, airports often have multilingual signs, even though the primary language is french. Again we agree. Quote>But still want the main language in your country to be the Original language. You want us to all speak Cherokee? Cherokee was not the original language...It was a string of grunts moans and yelling. But just as we adopted words such as "Patio" into English...A mix of the language will happen...Thats fine. In the case of Cherokee...Well they were never large enough, or enduring enough to assimulate English. The peopplem is when a gorup refuses to learn the language of the land and tries to force the whole to accept and change for them. In your Cherokee example they did not have enough strength...We should not let that happen with English."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #240 April 21, 2005 QuoteFunny they packed up right when it was getting warm here! Hell, I would not stay either....AZ in the summer is HOT. I bet most of them are retiree's and just as the population on Yuma Tripples in the winter, I bet most went to their summer homes. The got the message they wanted to broadcast out."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #241 April 21, 2005 Quote You can be aware, and even speak other language ...But still want the main language in your country to be the Original language So how are the Seminole/Muskogee lessons going, Ron?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #242 April 21, 2005 QuoteSo how are the Seminole/Muskogee lessons going, Ron? Been covered....do try and keep up. Maybe we can get you a "Hover round""No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #243 April 21, 2005 >Cherokee was not the original language...It was a string of grunts >moans and yelling. I think you've taken the cake with that one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #244 April 21, 2005 Quote..It was a string of grunts moans and yelling. And most of us still speak that language. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #245 April 21, 2005 Quote>Cherokee was not the original language...It was a string of grunts >moans and yelling. I think you've taken the cake with that one. I think you misunderstood Ron's response. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #246 April 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteSo how are the Seminole/Muskogee lessons going, Ron? Been covered....do try and keep up. Maybe we can get you a "Hover round" I was there a while back, Ron, keep up yourself: www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1588050#1588050... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #247 April 22, 2005 QuoteI was there a while back, Ron, keep up yourself: And I answered that question there, and her again.....Oldtimers?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #248 April 23, 2005 QuoteThe peopplem is when a gorup refuses to learn the language of the land and tries to force the whole to accept and change for them. Living in So.Cal., working in the medical field, we encounter those who refuse to learn even a little English. Some of them have lived here for several decades and continue to refuse. On a couple of occasions it pushed my buttons when a patient has demanded that I speak their language and asked why I didn't I know it. I've countered back with, "This is the United States. We speak English here". I felt bad on those two occasions. Not that I have this opinion, but that they had pushed my buttons far enough for me to respond this way to them. Not very professional (and we do provide interpreters). Yet, it is my belief that if you choose to -live- in a country, you learn their language. Period. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #249 April 24, 2005 QuoteYet, it is my belief that if you choose to -live- in a country, you learn their language. Period. I'm Cherokee Indian.. No one knows my language? After all.. It was my peoples country first Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #250 April 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteYet, it is my belief that if you choose to -live- in a country, you learn their language. Period. I'm Cherokee Indian.. No one knows my language? After all.. It was my peoples country first How do you know I don't know Cherokee? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
