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billvon 2,384
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>Mother nature is mother nature, she will take care of things as they
>should be and need to be.
That is 100% correct. However, that often leads to some very cruel actions. It is natural that we die of colon cancer, that lion cubs play with wounded animals for hours before killing them, that some parasitic birds push all the other baby birds out of the nest to die. That's nature. Doesn't mean we should emulate everything it does.
>It's survival, not greed that drives the whale or any other animal to kill.
I take it you don't have any cats.
>should be and need to be.
That is 100% correct. However, that often leads to some very cruel actions. It is natural that we die of colon cancer, that lion cubs play with wounded animals for hours before killing them, that some parasitic birds push all the other baby birds out of the nest to die. That's nature. Doesn't mean we should emulate everything it does.
>It's survival, not greed that drives the whale or any other animal to kill.
I take it you don't have any cats.
billvon 2,384
>You know as well as I know that no US soldiers have ever or will ever
> purposefully take a boeing full of passengers, be it the enemy or not,
> and fly it into a building full of civilians, all the meanwhile expecting to
> die, that is in a suicide mission.
Dude. We dropped nuclear weapons on civilians and killed 350,000 of them, even though we didn't need to do that to win the war. And then we found a way to call those people heroes. If that's the case, those same writers would have no problem at all calling US soldiers who killed a few hundred civilian passengers heroes. You would too. That's not because we're especially evil, it's because we win the wars and thus write the history books.
Around 250 years ago, there was a war in which what would become the US engaged in the most vile terrorist tactics imaginable. If we had lost the war, those revolutionaries would be viewed as beneath Al Qaeda, horrible immoral people who inflict terror and pain upon honorable british troops. Since we won, we wrote books about how Paul Revere was a hero and Benedict Arnold was a traitor. But do not delude yourself into thinking that's because we were right. It is because we won.
> purposefully take a boeing full of passengers, be it the enemy or not,
> and fly it into a building full of civilians, all the meanwhile expecting to
> die, that is in a suicide mission.
Dude. We dropped nuclear weapons on civilians and killed 350,000 of them, even though we didn't need to do that to win the war. And then we found a way to call those people heroes. If that's the case, those same writers would have no problem at all calling US soldiers who killed a few hundred civilian passengers heroes. You would too. That's not because we're especially evil, it's because we win the wars and thus write the history books.
Around 250 years ago, there was a war in which what would become the US engaged in the most vile terrorist tactics imaginable. If we had lost the war, those revolutionaries would be viewed as beneath Al Qaeda, horrible immoral people who inflict terror and pain upon honorable british troops. Since we won, we wrote books about how Paul Revere was a hero and Benedict Arnold was a traitor. But do not delude yourself into thinking that's because we were right. It is because we won.
alana 0
>It's survival, not greed that drives the whale or any other animal to kill.
I take it you don't have any cats.
I take it you don't have any cats.
I do actually! True, very true. My cat does play with cute little animals for his own sick pleasure.
And he gets scolded every time! 
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the world would be a different place if animals could speak.
bon appetit
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"Well, it's a big pretty white plane with a red stripe, curtains at the windows, wheels, and it just looks like a big Tylenol!"
bon appetit
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"Well, it's a big pretty white plane with a red stripe, curtains at the windows, wheels, and it just looks like a big Tylenol!"
alana 0
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the world would be a different place if animals could speak.
bon appetit
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JohnRich 4
QuoteQuote #1: I have gone deep sea, Tuna fishing and caught 60 pound Tuna before. Being in a boat, with a 60 pound Tuna bleeding all over the place, struggling for its life, shaking a 32 foot boat, was a very unpleasant experience for me.
Quote #2: I just finished eating 3 cans of Tuna for lunch.
By eating those cans of tuna, you caused the death of one of those tunas, which someone else had to kill on your behalf.
I'd say that this makes your credibility on this argument about zero, with me.
If you want to talk the talk, you've got to walk the walk. Someone who dislikes the killing of fish, should forego eating fish, if they expect to earn respect for their position.
QuoteIf its done as humanely as possible I won't complain.
I take it your not a vegetarian. Have you ever been to a slaughter house? The animals that you eat have been killed in a far from humane way.
I'm a meat eater, I wear leather shoes and have on occasions worn leather chaps (in a none homoerotic way
) and therefore cannot take the moral high ground on this. If I were to take the moral high ground I would see a double standard in my ways.------------------------------------------------------
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Antidote 0
Heh yeah, lions would be all "duuude, when are those fat European big game hunters coming? The locals are like, sooo scrawny
tkhayes 124
define 'pleasure'. I used to hunt for pleasure - the pleasure of having a freezer full of moose and deer, ducks, rabbits and geese.
that is pleasurable, but it serves a purpose as well.
Did I 'need' to hunt for survival? Certainly not, I can buy it at the store, but I chose to get my food via my own means. It can be 'pleasure' and still be OK
TK
that is pleasurable, but it serves a purpose as well.
Did I 'need' to hunt for survival? Certainly not, I can buy it at the store, but I chose to get my food via my own means. It can be 'pleasure' and still be OK
TK
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I would say that was good spin but I really don't believe it is. You know as well as I know that no US soldiers have ever or will ever purposefully take a boeing full of passengers, be it the enemy or not, and fly it into a building full of civilians, all the meanwhile expecting to die, that is in a suicide mission. If you wish to debate this over hundreds of posts as has been done in the past thats fine. But it won't be with me. I will state for the record that I don't believe you are that clueless that you don't see all the holes in you're own arguement before posting it.
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