PhreeZone 15 #26 December 17, 2004 Quote8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem. Muslims pray facing Mecca. The only time their back is towards Jeruslem is if they are inbetween Jeruslem and Mecca. So technically the answer is right, but its only right in an extremely small portion of the Muslim population.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #27 December 17, 2004 For anyone interested, these maps show the areas within the West Bank and Gaza Strip areas, which were Palestinian land according to the original UN charter, that have been taken over by Israel. Original UN partition 1947 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/campaigns/middle_east/midmapun.gif;sessionid=VAEHXJA4RSBPXQFIQMFCNAGAVCBQYJVC Current West Bankhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/campaigns/middle_east/midmapcur.gif;sessionid=VAEHXJA4RSBPXQFIQMFCNAGAVCBQYJVC Current Gaza Strip http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/campaigns/middle_east/midmapgaza.gif;sessionid=VAEHXJA4RSBPXQFIQMFCNAGAVCBQYJVC Once again, not passing judgment, but again it is fact that Israel has moved into and occupied Palestinian territory and displaced its inhabitants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #28 December 17, 2004 QuoteQuote8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem. Muslims pray facing Mecca. The only time their back is towards Jeruslem is if they are inbetween Jeruslem and Mecca. So technically the answer is right, but its only right in an extremely small portion of the Muslim population. That's cool. Again, I can't verify the accuracy of all of this but I thought it interesting with reference to who was there first and the right of Israel to exist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #29 December 17, 2004 QuoteArab and Jewish refugees: Arabs were not driven out of their homes. Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge the land of Jews. They argued that an "Arab presence" would only get in the way of the planned devastation. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. This completely overlooks everything that has happened since then. QuoteI thought it interesting with reference to who was there first and the right of Israel to exist. If by interesting you mean historically inaccurate and completely biased, than yes, it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #30 December 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteArab and Jewish refugees: Arabs were not driven out of their homes. Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge the land of Jews. They argued that an "Arab presence" would only get in the way of the planned devastation. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. This completely overlooks everything that has happened since then. QuoteI thought it interesting with reference to who was there first and the right of Israel to exist. If by interesting you mean historically inaccurate and completely biased, than yes, it is. What exactly is innacurate in the wording of the quote above? What is biased? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #31 December 17, 2004 That seems pretty biased, leaving out a few important facts. For example, Islam , like Christianity, branched off from Judaism. I would be interested in knowing who compiled the list. It seems rather non-objective. I am not offering support to either side, but it would be nice if we got objective reporting on the situation from our media.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #32 December 17, 2004 It's biased and inaccurate to say they weren't driven out of their homes just because they weren't physically forced out by soldiers. If someone told you a few million muslims would be relocating to your home state and creating a new form of government there to rule over you, what would you do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #33 December 17, 2004 QuoteThat seems pretty biased, leaving out a few important facts. For example, Islam , like Christianity, branched off from Judaism. What's Christianity got to do with this? I don't believe it was mentioned even once. This is before that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #34 December 17, 2004 QuoteIt's biased and inaccurate to say they weren't driven out of their homes just because they weren't physically forced out by soldiers. If someone told you a few million muslims would be relocating to your home state and creating a new form of government there to rule over you, what would you do? I believe the point was that originally the Jews were there and established as a nation before all the squatters came in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #35 December 17, 2004 QuoteAw come on . . . admit it . . . you're actually happy you learned something. You're just sad you had to learn it from me. I really have no idea what you are talking about, but if it makes you happy, glad I could be of service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #36 December 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt's biased and inaccurate to say they weren't driven out of their homes just because they weren't physically forced out by soldiers. If someone told you a few million muslims would be relocating to your home state and creating a new form of government there to rule over you, what would you do? I believe the point was that originally the Jews were there and established as a nation before all the squatters came in. You're forgetting the Canaanites.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamsville 0 #37 December 17, 2004 Those who hold a position towards one end of the spectrum may get upset when the other side starts playing a better game at publicizing than their side is. It seems to cut both ways. |I don't drink during the day, so I don't know what it is about this airline. I keep falling out the door of the plane. Harry, FB #4143 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #38 December 17, 2004 And the history as seen from the Palestinian side. http://www.palestine-net.com/history/bhist.htmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #39 December 17, 2004 Why doesn't anyone cry for the caveman? Our so called "progress" has destroyed a truly eco-friendly culture that was a part of the land before any nation-state could lay claim to it. Return the land to the cavemen! Everyone, jump into the ocean as soon as possible!Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #40 December 17, 2004 QuoteReturn the land to the cavemen! Everyone, jump into the ocean as soon as possible! Your theories are interesting and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. But shouldn't everyone quickly jump into caves and not the ocean? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #41 December 17, 2004 Ahhh my first convert! No, we can't jump into caves... we've gone down the path of "progress" too far to return to the purity of the cavemen. Besides, we'd just by "occupiers" in THEIR caves. Can't have that. To the ocean with you!Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #42 December 17, 2004 We could own the ocean. The dolphins and whales of course could keep their areas, maybe open a few casinos. I can see it now. Under the Sea, Under the Sea. There'll be no tribulations, just tasty crustaceans under the SEEEEEEAAAAAA. "Homer, that's your answer to everything" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #43 December 17, 2004 Good point! I guess we'll have to launch ourselves into unoccupied space. That might pollute quite a bit, however.... ah fuck it... let the cavemen and dolphins deal with it, after all, they're getting the whole world back!Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #44 December 30, 2004 QuoteRun the numbers...he's right. Many many more palestinians are killed for every Israeli oh i'm sorry, would you like me to kill myself in order to even those numbers? yes, you're right about the numbers, but if you check more than just the numbers you'll see that most of the palestinians hurt where in fact armed militia men. moreover, most of the innocent hurt were hurt because terrorist use their back yard as a firing range. the story is much more complex than any of you describe here, on either sides. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #45 December 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhere do you think the Palestinians lived before Israel came to be? I’m not claiming all of this is accurate since I am admittedly not a history buff and I can't even verify exactly who compiled it, however, I thought it was interesting. I’m not arguing a point. I was just curious. What do you think? appreciate the honesty there . your right to not be able to verify that list. there are some out right lies. some stretches of truth, and some truths taken out of context. that thing they do of calling the pallestinias jordanians is a classic. i guess to try to deny their right to their land. the jews and palastinians have been fighting over that land for about 3000 years, of wich the jews had it for about 1000 years and the palastinians or philistines as they used to be called for about 2000 years. don't really know what they've been fighting about all these years, but thats the way it's been. i understand the arabs and isralis fighting over whatever over there. what i don't get is why these european converts are fighting to take over that land. my guess would be that the people from that area are 99% dark skinned people with physical features formed by living by living in that enviroment for so long. obviosly sharon and most of the european jews have no ties to that area, so why do they want it so bad. do they have family houses there that they were forced out of at some point? i see it like the english whites in south africa saying thats their ancesteral home._________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #46 December 30, 2004 How about this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6762079/ QuoteAnother way to measure Another yardstick of U.S. largesse stems from a comparison of how American money is used elsewhere in the world. In hearings last month, the U.S. military reported to Congress that it is now spending more than $5.8 billion each month — an average of $8,055,555 an hour — in Iraq. So the $35 million in aid destined for the tsunami victims is equal to what the Pentagon spends on the average morning in Iraq — about four hours. Put another way, the $35 million is less than the amount the U.S. military spent during the six hours it took for the tsunami to cross the Indian Ocean on Sunday. Tell me that is not a liberal spin. QuotePresident Bush mentioned the $2.4 billion that the U.S. provided this year in worldwide aid. That amount pales in comparison with the $13.6 billion that Bush requested and received in supplemental appropriations for the hurricanes that hit the southeastern United States and the Caribbean earlier this year. Of that amount, $100 million, less than 1 percent, went to other countries for their hurricane relief efforts. Or that. NBC kills me they are so left I am surprized they don't speak French"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #47 December 30, 2004 Quote Tell me that is not a liberal spin. Tell us how stating the facts is spin? Or that. NBC kills me they are so left I am surprized they don't speak French I still don't understand why people continue to bash the French just because they won't do things the way Bush wants them to. Whatever. Those numbers again are not spin. The media didn't decide where the money went, they just report it. If you were to break down everything the Bush admin has done for more altruistic means, you would find that they pale in comparison to anything else during his time in office. Not just in foreign policy but here at home as well. I've also seen a study done by a speech pathologist which pointed out that GW's speaking habits are at their worst and most incoherent when it comes to talking about public aid, environmental issue, etc. He stumbles the least when talking about violence and war._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #46 December 30, 2004 How about this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6762079/ QuoteAnother way to measure Another yardstick of U.S. largesse stems from a comparison of how American money is used elsewhere in the world. In hearings last month, the U.S. military reported to Congress that it is now spending more than $5.8 billion each month — an average of $8,055,555 an hour — in Iraq. So the $35 million in aid destined for the tsunami victims is equal to what the Pentagon spends on the average morning in Iraq — about four hours. Put another way, the $35 million is less than the amount the U.S. military spent during the six hours it took for the tsunami to cross the Indian Ocean on Sunday. Tell me that is not a liberal spin. QuotePresident Bush mentioned the $2.4 billion that the U.S. provided this year in worldwide aid. That amount pales in comparison with the $13.6 billion that Bush requested and received in supplemental appropriations for the hurricanes that hit the southeastern United States and the Caribbean earlier this year. Of that amount, $100 million, less than 1 percent, went to other countries for their hurricane relief efforts. Or that. NBC kills me they are so left I am surprized they don't speak French"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #47 December 30, 2004 Quote Tell me that is not a liberal spin. Tell us how stating the facts is spin? Or that. NBC kills me they are so left I am surprized they don't speak French I still don't understand why people continue to bash the French just because they won't do things the way Bush wants them to. Whatever. Those numbers again are not spin. The media didn't decide where the money went, they just report it. If you were to break down everything the Bush admin has done for more altruistic means, you would find that they pale in comparison to anything else during his time in office. Not just in foreign policy but here at home as well. I've also seen a study done by a speech pathologist which pointed out that GW's speaking habits are at their worst and most incoherent when it comes to talking about public aid, environmental issue, etc. He stumbles the least when talking about violence and war._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #48 December 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteRun the numbers...he's right. Many many more palestinians are killed for every Israeli oh i'm sorry, would you like me to kill myself in order to even those numbers? yes, you're right about the numbers, but if you check more than just the numbers you'll see that most of the palestinians hurt where in fact armed militia men. moreover, most of the innocent hurt were hurt because terrorist use their back yard as a firing range. the story is much more complex than any of you describe here, on either sides. O No argument from me. I said what I meant and meant what I said. More Palestinians are killed than Israelis. It's a simple fact and I wasn't pushing an opinion either way on the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #49 December 30, 2004 QuoteTell us how stating the facts is spin? Because the facts contradict some people's view of reality. Therefore they label it as spin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #50 December 30, 2004 QuoteTell us how stating the facts is spin? See its called spin when you bring up an outside topic and compare it in a way that provides support for your agenda. The War in Iraq was not related to this, but NBC had a great opportunity to slam the current government for both Iraq, and the disaster relief...So they took it. That is a spin. Quote still don't understand why people continue to bash the French just because they won't do things the way Bush wants them to. Whatever. You clearly didn't see the face thingy. The face thingy at the end of a sentance is often used to close a joke. See since sarcasim is hard to relay by written word...Well most emotions are hard to relay over written word...Web guys have created these really cool "Smiley's". Some site (such as this one) make it a simple one click process. QuoteI've also seen a study done by a speech pathologist which pointed out that GW's speaking habits are at their worst and most incoherent when it comes to talking about public aid, environmental issue, etc. He is stumbles the least when talking about violence and war. Here is a great example of spin. A report you read (Without any detail) said something that you support. You add it during a only slightly related topic. It is OK to you since you feel it strengthens your stand on two different issues at the same time. Quotedon't believe the lies You know all lies have a basis in truth right?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
