frenchcloud 0 #1 June 10, 2016 Alright, so I read about the legendary low pack volume of the German Speed2000 reserves. i bought one and packed it. Mind= blown. I can attest the pack volume was smaller than the Optimum 99! The charts say: Opt 99sqf= 229 cub in. The Speed2000 120sqf = 221 cub in. It's true! Now I found out that the pack volume of the French reserve from Basik, X-fast has the same pack volumes as the Speed2000. Can someone who packed those confirm? Chart says X-fast = 225 cub in. I pack these in the tiniest rigs on the market and believe me, these low bulk reserves make a huge difference. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. -------------------------------------------------- The tongue is NOT only a tool for speech! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mathrick 2 #2 June 10, 2016 Interesting, are there any unusual limitations on MSW / deployment speed? Are they still in production?"Skydivers are highly emotional people. They get all excited about their magical black box full of mysterious life saving forces." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
degeneration 5 #3 June 10, 2016 The Speed2000 has very low MSW limits when compared with some other reserves: Size in sqft / Max suspended weight (kg) / Volume in cui 120 / 72 / 221 135 / 80 / 248 150 / 88 / 266 170 / 96 / 307 190 / 110 / 322 220 / 115 (105 Student) / 344 250 / 115 / 393 I believe there is a big thread about low pack reserves where the Speed2000 is discussed quite a bit.Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
degeneration 5 #4 June 10, 2016 And the x-fast isn't as low limits: Model / MSW (kg)/ Volume (cu.in.) 120 / 80 / 225 135 / 90 / 252 150 / 95 / 270 170 / 100 / 315 190 / 110 / 330 220 / 120 / 355 245 / 130 / 415 265 / 130 / 440Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mathrick 2 #5 June 10, 2016 Neat, thanks."Skydivers are highly emotional people. They get all excited about their magical black box full of mysterious life saving forces." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
degeneration 5 #6 June 10, 2016 And for comparison, the optimum stats: size / MSW (kg) / pack vol 99 / 100 / 228 106 / 100 / 239 113 / 115 / 250 126 / 115 / 271 143 / 115 / 298 160 / 120 / 331 176 / 123 / 355 193 / 125 / 402 218 / 127 / 438 This info on optimums was taken from the attached file (that I can't find the URL for at the moment)Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deimian 43 #7 June 10, 2016 degenerationThe Speed2000 has very low MSW limits when compared with some other reserves: Size in sqft / Max suspended weight (kg) / Volume in cui 120 / 72 / 221 135 / 80 / 248 150 / 88 / 266 170 / 96 / 307 190 / 110 / 322 220 / 115 (105 Student) / 344 250 / 115 / 393 I believe there is a big thread about low pack reserves where the Speed2000 is discussed quite a bit. It is worth mentioning that the MSW approved by the manufacturer in this case has nothing to do the certification weight. The Speed can handle significantly more than what the MSW states, but paratec advices against that. An excerpt from their manual: QuotePlease choose your canopy size to match your personal experience level and your requirements. A 120 sqft reserve will easily support and land a 200 Ibs jumper but is he really able to do so under all circumstances? Probably not!! When you have to use your reserve, you are probably not over your home DZ with plenty of space to land (Remember: Murphy is everywhere). I believe (I am not completely sure though) that other manufacturers just list the maximum tested weight and are not that (overly?) cautious Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frenchcloud 0 #8 June 10, 2016 So I already know the Speed is still in production and i believe the Xfast isn't. I know both canopies have been tested at 300lbs for the speed and 265lbs for the xfast and at 175 and 180 kts. I just need the feedback of someone who knows both and can attest that the pack volume of the Xfast really is 225cub in. It s super hard to fit a PDr 106 in a vector 303 or a vortex evs 100 but the speed 120 went in ridiculously easily. I wonder if it would be the same with the Xfast... -------------------------------------------------- The tongue is NOT only a tool for speech! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mathrick 2 #9 June 10, 2016 Deimian***The Speed2000 has very low MSW limits when compared with some other reserves It is worth mentioning that the MSW approved by the manufacturer in this case has nothing to do the certification weight. The Speed can handle significantly more than what the MSW states, but paratec advices against that. An excerpt from their manual: QuotePlease choose your canopy size to match your personal experience level and your requirements. A 120 sqft reserve will easily support and land a 200 Ibs jumper but is he really able to do so under all circumstances? Probably not!! When you have to use your reserve, you are probably not over your home DZ with plenty of space to land (Remember: Murphy is everywhere). I believe (I am not completely sure though) that other manufacturers just list the maximum tested weight and are not that (overly?) cautious Yeah, it is discussed in the big thread Kris mentioned. The value listed as MSW is actually maximum recommended suspended weight, similar to PD's weight/experience charts. The actual MSW is the "certification weight", which is 115kg/254lbs. The recommendations are based only on the worst case scenario considerations; the manufacturer explicitly says in the thread it will fly and land just fine up to certification weight, you might just not want it to under the sort of circumstances reserves are designed for (aka unconscious and injured). The same considerations that'd lead someone to installing a Speed2000 in their tiny pocket rocket rig. All things considered, a Speed2000 120 is very likely significantly better than Optimum 99, although still a foolhardy choice unless you're a tiny 45kg girl. Personally I refuse to consider anything smaller than 150 for my weight, and even then it's pushing it slightly. And since my piloting skills while unconscious are unlikely to improve, I have no intention of ever going lower, regardless of the main I fly. So Speed2000 sounds like just the thing."Skydivers are highly emotional people. They get all excited about their magical black box full of mysterious life saving forces." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites