Machine-710 0 #1 March 29, 2016 So, it's springtime for the half of us and the best time for getting spares for your rig. It's just a what if type of question: any RSL's out there with velcro that'll work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alexg3265 0 #2 March 29, 2016 can you be more specific? the only lanyard you can legally use is what mirage supplies. TSO compliant and all that. As for the risers, you can use any that have an rsl ring on the proper side... this is all assuming the rig is fitted with the velcro/channel and the double rings on the reserve top flap.I was that kid jumping out if his tree house with a bed sheet. My dad wouldn't let me use the ladder to try the roof... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Machine-710 0 #3 March 30, 2016 Jep, rig itself is RSL ready and so are the risers (Mirage). My problem is that RSL lanyards with velcro are difficult to come by. Even Chutingstar is out of stock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,264 #4 March 30, 2016 Hi Alexg, QuoteTSO compliant and all that. The Mirage was certificated under TSO C23b. In that ( TSO C23b ) & NAS 804 there is no mention of a RSL. The Skyhook is also not a TSO'd item as the Vector ( all versions ) is also certficated under C23b. While some may disagree, I contend that the RSL on a Mirage is not a TSO part. Just my $0.02, Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #5 April 1, 2016 JerryBaumchenHi Alexg, QuoteTSO compliant and all that. The Mirage was certificated under TSO C23b. In that ( TSO C23b ) & NAS 804 there is no mention of a RSL. The Skyhook is also not a TSO'd item as the Vector ( all versions ) is also certficated under C23b. While some may disagree, I contend that the RSL on a Mirage is not a TSO part. Just my $0.02, Jerry Baumchen I would never bet Jerry against on matters pertaining to TSO. I you do you will lose.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #6 April 1, 2016 I wish I had seen this sooner as I was in the factory today getting a demo of their trap system. As always the manufacturer is the best source of info and I'm sure they'd be happy to make one for you. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Machine-710 0 #7 April 1, 2016 I tried to contact Mirage, but no answers (maybe my mail landed in the junk folder, altough from sent from regural gmail). Gear shop quite near me might still have some, they're looking into it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alexg3265 0 #8 April 1, 2016 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiP1uOJv-7LAhUBYyYKHd11BYMQFggmMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnlf.no%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Ffallskjerm%2Fdokument%2Fservicebulletine%25202007-02%2520krav%2520ved%2520fjerning%2520av%2520RSL%2520Sunpath%2520komplett.doc.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHQt8NAeyiwDVwxVoxz_GdtGt-CfQ&sig2=NpXEPI0SPWp9vGixJluSKw second page... granted mirage may have different views, but if there is an rsl, its function has to be tested and approved. I specifically remember seeing a tso label on my wifes mirage rsl lanyard... there was actually a discussion a while back where people were arguing you had to use the rsl and not remove it because it would make the assembly not what was tso tested.... i may be missing details but that was the gist of it...I was that kid jumping out if his tree house with a bed sheet. My dad wouldn't let me use the ladder to try the roof... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 275 #9 April 1, 2016 In reference to Sunpath having gone bizarrely strict on RSL's: The Javelin was C23c Cat B for everything approximately before Oct. 2001, after which the design was recertified C23d. So the situation will be different than for Mirage's C23b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #10 April 1, 2016 Mirage is certified under TSO C-23b (issued 1962), no mention of RSL. The current Mirage is manufactured under the TSO approval of a rig designed and approved in the late 70's, just as the Vector III is manufactured under TSO C-23b approval of the Wonderhog in the 1970's. Javelin's latest TSO is C-23d (issued 1994), which requires testing of an RSL during required breakaway testing. Two very different certification standards.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #11 April 2, 2016 You typed faster than me. And I looked up a bunch of stuff, can't trust my memory anymore. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #12 April 2, 2016 councilman24Mirage is certified under TSO C-23b (issued 1962), no mention of RSL. The current Mirage is manufactured under the TSO approval of a rig designed and approved in the late 70's, just as the Vector III is manufactured under TSO C-23b approval of the Wonderhog in the 1970's. Javelin's latest TSO is C-23d (issued 1994), which requires testing of an RSL during required breakaway testing. Two very different certification standards. Rigs that were certified under TSO-C23b were tested to the standards of AS 804 which makes no reference to an RSL.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,264 #13 April 2, 2016 Hi Mike, You: Quote Rigs that were certified under TSO-C23b were tested to the standards of AS 804 which makes no reference to an RSL. Me: Quote The Mirage was certificated under TSO C23b. In that ( TSO C23b ) & NAS 804 there is no mention of a RSL. Must be an echo in the room, Jerry Baumchen PS) One only has to read to understand this stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerospinskier 1 #14 April 7, 2016 Mirage will send you one. Ask your dealer. We are a dealer and I just ordered a velcro RSL a couple weeks ago. No problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 599 #15 April 8, 2016 Machine-710Jep, rig itself is RSL ready and so are the risers (Mirage). My problem is that RSL lanyards with velcro are difficult to come by. Even Chutingstar is out of stock. ............................................................... As long as the replacement RSL is the same length (as the original) it is easy for a Master Rigger to sew on a piece of Velcro. Hint: it helps if he can copy a genuine Mirage RSL's stitch pattern. Sometimes a Master Rigger can substitute an RSL from another manufacturer, but that raises a whole bunch of compatibility questions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutingstar 1 #16 April 11, 2016 Machine-710Jep, rig itself is RSL ready and so are the risers (Mirage). My problem is that RSL lanyards with velcro are difficult to come by. Even Chutingstar is out of stock. They are in stock now, and we always have more on the way when we run out...or we can convert a Velcro to Velcroless or vice-versa. http://www.chutingstar.com/skydive/rig-parts/rsls/replacement-mirage-rsl-lanyardChutingStar.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
