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QuoteSince you were so swift to point at the Arab anti-Semitism issue, I'm curious about your views concerning racist hate crime hoaxes such as this one?
first of all, i wasn't "swift" about anything, i just brought the report.
what do i think about it? the same as i think of women who make up rape stories. she should get the same punishment as they would have got if found guilty.
this stupid woman's "hoax" will now cause real racist actions to be looked at with doubt.
QuoteOrganized at a regional scale, not at the scale of the pub round the corner
again, these days its not enough that leaders are not organizing attacks. their job is to educate and make sure it doesn't happen.
QuoteYou don't seem to be well informed about social and religious issues in France. You are from Israel, right? So, here is a scoop: your local standards don't apply to France.
i just love it when people who don't know me decide what i do or don't know...
not that i need to prove anything to you but i do know what i'm talking about and i'm "well informed about social and religious issues in France".
france has a problem and its much bigger than anti-semitism. france has about a 20% muslim minority, many of which want to keep their original culture and habbits (being arabs in france instead of french of arab origins).
i'm not saying its right or wrong to keep a separate community within the community, just that its a fact that bothers the french.
QuoteWhen it comes to the number and the scale of criminal acts motivated by racial or religious differences, there is absolutely no common measure between France and Israel.
sorry, maybe its my lack of understanding but i don't see your point.
do you want a list of anti semitic events in europe in the last 4 years?
the fact that one stupid woman made up a story doesnt mean there is no problem.
"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."
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Quotesorry, maybe its my lack of understanding but i don't see your point.
do you want a list of anti semitic events in europe in the last 4 years?
the fact that one stupid woman made up a story doesnt mean there is no problem.
I don’t think he meant there is no racial problems in France. I think he meant when compared to the racial problems in Israel there not even close. I have to say I agree. There is no place in the world right now that race and religion are such an issue, and it is not all the Arabs fault as they like to make it look.
I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain
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QuoteI don’t think he meant there is no racial problems in France. I think he meant when compared to the racial problems in Israel there not even close. I have to say I agree. There is no place in the world right now that race and religion are such an issue, and it is not all the Arabs fault as they like to make it look.
i have to disagree with you about that.
the problems we have here are not about race nor about religion. culture, maybe.
but its mainly a dispute about land and the right to live in it safely/independently.
the religious differences are raised in order to raise support for a cause.
there are a few millions palestinians, but there are almost a billion muslims.
you can see why they want to make it a "religious" war.
a side note, the palestinians had similar if not bigger issues with jordan in the west bank and with egypt in gaza before 1967, it wasnt about religion then too.
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"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."
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I think if it was just left as a land dispute and religion was not involved the issue would have been solved by now.
From your posts on line I think of you as one of the truly honest and straightforward people on here.
Do you think it would be A. more difficult B. About the same as a Jewish person C. Easier Then. For a Muslim to move to Israel and start a life there. I think religion is an issue I am not sure how well a Jewish person would be received in Palestine.
From your posts on line I think of you as one of the truly honest and straightforward people on here.
Do you think it would be A. more difficult B. About the same as a Jewish person C. Easier Then. For a Muslim to move to Israel and start a life there. I think religion is an issue I am not sure how well a Jewish person would be received in Palestine.
I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain
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QuoteI think if it was just left as a land dispute and religion was not involved the issue would have been solved by now.
maybe, but this goes a long way back so maybe its a mixture of it all, still the origin was land, which lead to violence which lead to distrust.
I, for one would be happy to have more palestinian friends (of i'll be able to feel safe around them). its their leadership who i'm disappointed by.
QuoteFrom your posts on line I think of you as one of the truly honest and straightforward people on here.
thanks
its easy to lose prespective when you're within it all, just as it is easy to see it wrong from the outside.
QuoteDo you think it would be A. more difficult B. About the same as a Jewish person C. Easier Then. For a Muslim to move to Israel and start a life there. I think religion is an issue I am not sure how well a Jewish person would be received in Palestine.
tough question.
its not clear whether you mean muslim or arab.
muslim is not a big deal , arab maybe.
i'll look at it from civilian and security point of views
about 20% of israeli citizens are muslims. and they are equal by law. these are arabs who remained here in 1948 when israel was founded and gained their citizenship by being here.
they don't serve in the army and some of the benefits are given only to people who gave up 3 years in service.
so in citizenship , they are equal (although sometimes it seems as though they need to work a bit more, but i guess its true for every minority)
for example, my mother works in a hospital. there are several arab doctors/nurses and even patients and trust me when i tell you that the way palestinians act makes them really angry.
thats leads me to the second more problematic issue, security. in many of the terror attacks, it was israeli arabs who helped and supported the terrorists (a place to sleep, a ride to the location, intel, etc) , which makes a whole section of the population a bit more suspicious.
to make it short, israeli arabs' life is not perfect but most (if not all) of them would rather live in israel than in palestine.
as for foreigners, its more an issue of who you are and where you've been.
every foreigner (not only muslim) wanting to enter israel is checked, and he is questioned (if needed) about why is he here and where he has been.
this can be very annoying and sometimes it can cause tourists not to return here.
but when there are so many people who want to hurt you, you have to be cautious.
they may look at your religion, but they'll mainly check your background, and intentions.
leaving the security issues aside, at least with the people i hang out with, being a muslim wouldn't matter. being arab might matter for some , but it depends who you are.
so yes, if you havent been in enemy countries lately and your record is ok, there shouldn't be a problem. with a US passport i'm almost sure no one will even ask, but sometimes they use profiling too (maybe not PC , but i think its a must in this case.)
as for being jewish in an arab country, considering all of them were forced out (including my aunt who fled from Iran), i dont think it would be a good choice.
its a tricky question, i'm not sure i can really answer it since i dont know of many muslims who want to make a new home in israel
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"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."
Yeah right! I avoided hairdressers like the plague for 25 years because cutting my hair is the same as killing me. This is plain absurdity!
Since you were so swift to point at the Arab anti-Semitism issue, I'm curious about your views concerning racist hate crime hoaxes such as this one?
By definition, if there is no evidence, then apparently it doesn't happen. According to Esther Benbassa as well.
Organized at a regional scale, not at the scale of the pub round the corner.
You don't seem to be well informed about social and religious issues in France. You are from Israel, right? So, here is a scoop: your local standards don't apply to France. When it comes to the number and the scale of criminal acts motivated by racial or religious differences, there is absolutely no common measure between France and Israel. Even compared to reasonable standards, the leaders and the authorities are not doing too bad on these issues.
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