Jumping with White People Rocks

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I have been a Mensa member since I was 25. There is no discrimination on the basis of sex, race, creed, national origin. People within the group have religious or political affliliations, but no agenda is supported by the organization.

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anybody else find that funny?

I changed the name MENSA to Mensa. It varies with the member. Some members like the name in all caps, some in all lower case. I changed it to first-letter cap because I figured people would understand, but didn't want to confuse you. I'll try to stay with one syllables.

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My group would be about strength and body fat levels. If your not in the strongest 98%, we don't don't think you have anything useful to contribute. If you can't keep at the very minimum a .75 ratio from waist to chest, then how can you possibly understand enough about physical fitness to contribute to this group. Yes this is the group I wish to start all I need is a name and some members. Or wait, maybe there is a group that seeks these qualities already that I am not aware of. If anybody knows of one I will appreciate the name and address to seek membership.

Dude, there's a club like that right around the corner. It's the gym in the gayborhood.

I am not sure which place your referring to but I was in Philly last month, with work, and I went to a gym called Iron Age or something like that while I was there. I liked the facilities but I noticed from the pictures everywhere and talking extensively to the manager that is was a big time powerlifter gym. After talking to the manager in a short time he made it quite clear that he was no fan of body builders. Now I respect powerlifters and see nothing wrong with Gene Ryclack benching 925 pounds or Scott Mendelson coming up right behind him pushing pushing 900 or whatever he is up to. But none of these guys come anywhere near a .75 waist to chest. In my opinion they look way to fat and would not qualify for membership because they simply do not hold the same ideals.

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changed the name MENSA to Mensa. It varies with the member. Some members like the name in all caps, some in all lower case. I changed it to first-letter cap because I figured people would understand, but didn't want to confuse you. I'll try to stay with one syllables.

If you don't want to confuse me you are going to have to draw pictures....

Try to use lots of colors...I like colors.

I have to go...I see a shinny thing.

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There is a fundamental flaw in your exercise. It didn't explore motive, it explored a single statement. It's not the statement that people found offensive in your post and not in the women's, it's the perceived motive.

When a woman says that she loves jumping with other women and all female jumps rock, the perception (by most people) is one of camraderie. It's not a statement to exclude a group of people, it's to express sisterhood.

When someone says they love jumping with white people and white only jumps are great, the perception is different. Here, the perception is one of exclusion because the phrase "white only" has come to stand for racism and discrimination.

Perception. Yes! I agree with you. They are perceived differently. Why do you think that is, Phil?



Michael

Here's why - there are fundamental differences between men and women. I know it's odd, because Time Magazine actually did a cover story whose point was that men and women are actually different (it made big news, and changed forever the way people think about gender - now people know men and women are different, whilst before they were all viewed the same. Okay, end sarcasm).

I don't find anyone in their right mind who think that men's and women's restrooms equate to white and black restrooms. Indeed, I don't think that Jump For The Cause is an inherently bigoted thing.

The fact is that this sport is predominantly male, and it'd be pretty easy for women to feel left out of everything except after the beerlight goes out. It so happens, many are beautiful, and this leads to some extra attention, be it wanted or unwanted.

It's great that women want to stick together. Ironically, even with women sticking together, they want to jump with men, hang out with men, and do everything the men do.

Lighten up, dude.

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So us female skydivers have an "agenda"? Are we trying to take over the world?

Skydivers as a group can rarely dirt-dive successfully. I doubt world domination is in anyones plans.

Far as I can tell, women do run the world already. What's your point?

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I'm just not sure how...

I am constantly called upon to explain stuff to chicks, but this is as slow as I can type. Without the logic circuits, this may have to remain a mystery.

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I however would like to start my own club. One that I think matters more because it wouldn't only about how you were born. I mean that would be part of it but another significant part would be what you have done to better yourself. My group would be about strength and body fat levels. If your not in the strongest 98%, we don't don't think you have anything useful to contribute. If you can't keep at the very minimum a .75 ratio from waist to chest, then how can you possibly understand enough about physical fitness to contribute to this group.

Actually, this club would still be about how you were born. Only a couple body types can ever achieve that sort of distortion of waist to chest. Endurance athletes have a lower BF% than you but will never get that triangular.

I've never understood the point of Mensa other than to claim to be a member. I think the Simpsons spoof did it best.

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>You've made a few overt and inferred personal attacks here in this thread
>that cross the line dude. If I were a greenie I would delete several of them
>and lock this thread entirely.

Since it's remained mostly civil I won't lock it. People have done a good job of moderating themselves and talking about the issue, which is great. But just to be clear - there is no problem at all discussing someone else's ideas, but attacking the person will get threads locked/people banned. (And yes, people can get banned for calling someone else a racist even if they think the poster really _is_ a racist.)

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I have been a Mensa member since I was 25. There is no discrimination on the basis of sex, race, creed, national origin. People within the group have religious or political affliliations, but no agenda is supported by the organization.

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anybody else find that funny?

Not nearly as much as those citing "Berkely" as the source for their inspiration.

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1 guy is Bill Gates and the other 5 rich people are pro atheletes that can barely read.

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[ If a bunch of people over 40 want to jump together, go for it.

No - that'll never catch on... people that old are far to frail to skydive!

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No - that'll never catch on... people that old are far to frail to skydive!

And they smell funny.

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There are days, when I'd love to jump with all women...

Wow, there are days when I'd like to jump all women, too!

Oh...wait... you said "with all women..."

Never mind.



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There are days, when I'd love to jump with all women...

Wow, there are days when I'd like to jump all women, too!

Oh...wait... you said "with all women..."

Never mind.



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If whites or asians or women or redheads or left handed folk or bad hook femure survivors or whatever want to get together and jump, or hold their own art openings or conferances or whatever, It's generally not a bad thing.

I agree with this statement. I go into the Women's forum now only very occassionally, because I personally am not very interested in a lot of the things that are posted there (pink mafia this, silicon implants that)... but, I don't think that it is a terrible thing that a few women want to get together and have a bonding jump. I'm not really the type to do a female bonding jump, but i'm not really against those who are. I happen to like jumping with guys and girls just the same, but I still see no more harm in this seperation than in the all-metal jumps, or all-deaf jumps, or all-fill-in-the-blank jumps. If people feel they need/get empowerment through jumping with those they feel they have more in common with, it is ok with me.

I saw some references to the thread I started a while back about females being subsidized for jumps, and I don't think that this is on the same level as that because there are many other all-fill-in-the-blank jumps due to those seeking acceptance/bonding/whatever... whereas charging less for jumps for a group is discriminating to all who aren't in the group, and is demeaning to those who are in the group because it says they can't afford jumps, or whatnot.

So, in conclusion, while I didn't read the post in the women's forum because it did not interest me personally, I do not have a problem with women bonding with one another on a skydive that they don't get to do everyday.

Angela

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so 'bonding' is ok, but 'services offered' is bad. What about when the two are tied together?

how many would have issues with a DZ giving left-handed jumpers $14 jumps while righthanders were $18? 14 and 20? 10 and 20? At what point financially, does discrimination become a issue for you?

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so 'bonding' is ok, but 'services offered' is bad. What about when the two are tied together?

how many would have issues with a DZ giving left-handed jumpers $14 jumps while righthanders were $18? 14 and 20? 10 and 20? At what point financially, does discrimination become a issue for you?

The DZOs at a particular DZ do that, based on gender... They dismiss is as "all about the jumps", or some hippy bullshit like that...I think it's horseshit...

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$15 Fathers Day jumps were cool. Work on it now and be in time for next year.

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so 'bonding' is ok, but 'services offered' is bad. What about when the two are tied together?

how many would have issues with a DZ giving left-handed jumpers $14 jumps while righthanders were $18? 14 and 20? 10 and 20? At what point financially, does discrimination become a issue for you?

PM sent. This thread is not my own and my position has been explained in my previous thread. I have answered your particular question in a pm to you, but it is not appropriate here because it has been well discussed, the thread was locked and I don't want to get this one locked.

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Angela.

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so 'bonding' is ok, but 'services offered' is bad. What about when the two are tied together?

how many would have issues with a DZ giving left-handed jumpers $14 jumps while righthanders were $18? 14 and 20? 10 and 20? At what point financially, does discrimination become a issue for you?

Wonder if any attitudes would change if a DZ charged guys $10 but charged women $18 ?

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$15 Fathers Day jumps were cool. Work on it now and be in time for next year.

Good point. I think many dz's offer discounted jumps to current and ex-military on Veterans Day and/or Memorial Day. Go see the recruiter now.

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$15 Fathers Day jumps were cool. Work on it now and be in time for next year.

Good point. I think many dz's offer discounted jumps to current and ex-military on Veterans Day and/or Memorial Day. Go see the recruiter now.

I'm thinking that the 6-week basic training is better for Fathers Day than Veterans Day.

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$15 Fathers Day jumps were cool. Work on it now and be in time for next year.

Good point. I think many dz's offer discounted jumps to current and ex-military on Veterans Day and/or Memorial Day. Go see the recruiter now.

I'm thinking that the 6-week basic training is better for Fathers Day than Veterans Day.

lol!!

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I have been a Mensa member since I was 25. There is no discrimination on the basis of sex, race, creed, national origin. People within the group have religious or political affliliations, but no agenda is supported by the organization.

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anybody else find that funny?

I find it funny that 2% are members, about 25% claim to be members and 75% have a total lack of interest in being associated.
(Perhaps they are the smart one's. )

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I have been a Mensa member since I was 25. There is no discrimination on the basis of sex, race, creed, national origin. People within the group have religious or political affliliations, but no agenda is supported by the organization.

(edited for spelling)

anybody else find that funny?

I changed the name MENSA to Mensa. It varies with the member. Some members like the name in all caps, some in all lower case. I changed it to first-letter cap because I figured people would understand, but didn't want to confuse you. I'll try to stay with one syllables.

That's even sillier than the "spelling" error. Better stop now before they take your pointy hat away.

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I have been a Mensa member since I was 25. There is no discrimination on the basis of sex, race, creed, national origin. People within the group have religious or political affliliations, but no agenda is supported by the organization.

(edited for spelling)

anybody else find that funny?