PhillyKev 0 #26 April 30, 2004 Ironically, the Arab nation with the most advanced technology schools was Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gary350 0 #27 April 30, 2004 QuoteIronically, the Arab nation with the most advanced technology schools was Iraq. Wonder if it had anything to do with how secular Iraq was? On the other hand, they were certainly not a democracy. . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #28 April 30, 2004 QuoteWonder if it had anything to do with how secular Iraq was? That's my understanding. Because it was the least dominated by Islamic societal rules more diversity was permitted to compete in the work place and the educational system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #29 April 30, 2004 QuoteOne question is if there may be differences in religious beliefs and practices i don't know of any religion who contributes to science and free art. to me, religion was "invented" in order to explain things humans couldn't at the time. and when you can blame god for everything, why explor? "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #30 April 30, 2004 What about Scientology??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #31 April 30, 2004 QuoteWhat about Scientology??? Do they "contribute" to science or "distort" it? I've read a little about them on their website but I admit, I'm no expert. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #32 April 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhat about Scientology??? Do they "contribute" to science or "distort" it? I've read a little about them on their website but I admit, I'm no expert. Are these the L.Ron Hubbard people? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #33 April 30, 2004 I work with both Arabs (from Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia) and Israelis (most of them are actually _in_ Israel.) I jump with them, too, for that matter. I haven't noticed either one lacking in brains. Well, except for a few of the skydivers, but that's more a characteristic of skydivers than anything else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #34 April 30, 2004 I was being facetious, hence teh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #35 April 30, 2004 QuoteI work with both Arabs (from Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia) and Israelis (most of them are actually _in_ Israel.) I jump with them, too, for that matter. I haven't noticed either one lacking in brains. Well, except for a few of the skydivers, but that's more a characteristic of skydivers than anything else. My department head is an Azerbaijani Muslim. Our engineering dean is an Iranian Muslim. The Provost is an American Jew. The (university) president is a Jew. The head of our Civil Engineering dept. is an Iranian Muslim. Our Graduate Dean is a Turkish Muslim. Our CS department head is a Jew, our Chemical Eng. dept. head is an Egyptian Muslim. Our head librarian is an Egyptian Muslim, the head of our Fluid Dynamics Center is an Egyptian Muslim, our EE charman is Chinese. The head of our Fuel Cell Research Group is an Iraqi Muslim. The head of information Technology is an Israeli Jew. I haven't noticed any lack of intellect in any of them, and, surprise surprise, they all get on very well together. I am off to a faculty club party with them right now!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #36 April 30, 2004 QuoteI work with both Arabs (from Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia) and Israelis (most of them are actually _in_ Israel.) I jump with them, too, for that matter. I haven't noticed either one lacking in brains. I was just re-reading the list...and while I just don't have time right now to research, I don't think the Jews mentioned are Israeli jews... I'm not sure why I think that's important to mention, but maybe it's also because I'm thinking the question is along the lines of "Arab/Islamic v. Jewish World" rather than "Arab/Islamic v. Israeli Jews", which would limit the sourcing somewhat? I dunno. Something feels "wrong" about this list, and I'm just not able to pinpoint it accurately. Your post indicated "Israelis" and not Jews, so that's what made me think about that side. Ciels- Michele {Edit: I thought perhaps I'd spend a moment looking for the list (as there was no link) and like I said, it bothered me. Here's the list. It's taken from a rabidly zionistic website, which I wouldn't consider a good source at all. A quote from the site at the bottom of the page: " There are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world yet they have received 161 Nobel Prizes. The Muslims number 1.4 Billion (with a very big "B")... or 117 times the number of Jews! Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 22,260 Nobel Laureates. They have SIX! and one of them [Arafat] is a murderer (Allah Akbar, indeed!) Unless the Norwegians start awarding Nobel Prizes for plane hijackings, pizza shop bombings, civilian bus attacks, Jihad suicides/homicides, drive-by shootings, throat-slittings, embassy attacks and other such acts of barbarisms, the embarrassing low level of contribution to the welfare of Civilization and Mankind by the [Arab] Muslim world will continue. The Jewish People, meanwhile, will continue being the Lights Unto All Nations." Sigh. I have to get back to work now, but like I thought, there was something inherently wrong with that list... Ciels again- Michele} ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #37 May 1, 2004 one doesn't win world prizes such as the nobel ___ prize when one secludes him/herself from the world."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #38 May 1, 2004 Dudes - why the hell does anyone CARE about what race/ethnicity won what prize? Well, we all know why the democrats do, but why they hell SHOULD anyone care about such a breakdown? It's STUPID and doesn't indicate anything. Jews are growing up all over the world in many different cultures. Same for arab folks. Not that anyone's interested, but there have been no non-Appalachian winners of the coveted Anvil's Favorite Mom prize. Infer from that what you like. Beers to all (and tequila shooters for me), Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #39 May 2, 2004 QuoteDudes - why the hell does anyone CARE about what race/ethnicity won what prize? Well, we all know why the democrats do, Really? I don't know why it matters either. Since you do, and I don't, I guess you must be the democrat. So could you explain to us why they would care and others wouldn't. Or do you have to ask Ann Coulter first? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #40 May 2, 2004 Quote{Edit: I thought perhaps I'd spend a moment looking for the list (as there was no link) and like I said, it bothered me. Here's the list. It's taken from a rabidly zionistic website, which I wouldn't consider a good source at all. A quote from the site at the bottom of the page: " There are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world yet they have received 161 Nobel Prizes. The Muslims number 1.4 Billion (with a very big "B")... or 117 times the number of Jews! Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 22,260 Nobel Laureates. They have SIX! and one of them [Arafat] is a murderer (Allah Akbar, indeed!) Unless the Norwegians start awarding Nobel Prizes for plane hijackings, pizza shop bombings, civilian bus attacks, Jihad suicides/homicides, drive-by shootings, throat-slittings, embassy attacks and other such acts of barbarisms, the embarrassing low level of contribution to the welfare of Civilization and Mankind by the [Arab] Muslim world will continue. The Jewish People, meanwhile, will continue being the Lights Unto All Nations." A light unto all nations, maybe not that far, but they make a very valid point in my opinion.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #41 May 2, 2004 QuoteOne might venture that occupation by a foreign power is never good for any society. That would be a mighty tenuous venture. The height of the Arabic language and Arabic culture was brought about by................invasion and occupation. Read about the rise of Arabic culture inthe 7th through 9th centuries. What about Germany and Japan during the 20th century? The many areas occupied by The Roman Empire? Numerous countries occupied by the British made drastic improvements during the occupation. I think you would have a hard time with that argument. There are a lot of examples either way. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #42 May 3, 2004 There are potential Einsteins throughout the world. Ethnicity doesn't matter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vmsfreaky1 0 #43 May 3, 2004 Its prolly coz Jews have more time to sit around on their arse and be producing art and peace. Arabs on the other hand are dodging bullets and trying to feed their family, so i guess they have less time to pontificate, hence producing less Nobel types. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #44 May 3, 2004 Quote Its prolly coz Jews have more time to sit around on their arse and be producing art and peace. You can't really believe that, can you? How unrealistic and ridiculous is your statement??? Why do you evince so much hatred for the Jews? Gawain, the reason I brought in that link is because of it's rampant anti-arab sentiment. I was disgusted, the same way I was disgusted when I read that arab site which stated something along the lines that "jews use the blood of arab babies in their religion..." (or something like that...I don't recall it exactly, but it was inflammatory and there was a bruhaha over it some time ago). The same way I'm disgusted when I read Farakhan's stuff, or the KKK, or any other racial radical site. Et cetera. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #45 May 3, 2004 QuoteIts prolly coz Jews have more time to sit around on their arse and be producing art and peace. Every time I think I've seen the dumbest commentary possible on this site, you come along and prove me wrong. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #46 May 3, 2004 QuoteIts prolly coz Jews have more time to sit around on their arse and be producing art and peace. Arabs on the other hand are dodging bullets and trying to feed their family, so i guess they have less time to pontificate, hence producing less Nobel types as i said, i don't support this list and not the views behind it (and especially the comparison). but "prolly coz Jews have more time to sit around on their arse and be producing art and peace. " and "Arabs on the other hand are dodging bullets and trying to feed their family," ?!?!? where the hell did you come up with such a statement? i don't remember any jews shooting in iraq/iran/egypt/syria/sudan/yemmen/saudi arabia/pakistan/jordan or any other of the 21 arab or 52 muslim countries. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #47 May 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteOne might venture that occupation by a foreign power is never good for any society. That would be a mighty tenuous venture. The height of the Arabic language and Arabic culture was brought about by................invasion and occupation. Read about the rise of Arabic culture inthe 7th through 9th centuries. What about Germany and Japan during the 20th century? The many areas occupied by The Roman Empire? Numerous countries occupied by the British made drastic improvements during the occupation. I think you would have a hard time with that argument. There are a lot of examples either way. I don't think any of the nations occupied by Germany, Japan, France, Belgium, the UK, Spain, Italy etc. and subsequently "given" their independence, have actually asked that their former masters come back to make things better again. I haven't heard the Phillipines requesting a return to US control, or Indonesia asking the Dutch to come back. But then I don't listen to Fox News very much, so I could have missed it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #48 May 3, 2004 QuoteThere are potential Einsteins throughout the world. Ethnicity doesn't matter. That includes the ghettos of the USA, which is why it is important that ALL kids get a good education. Our inner city schools are a disgrace to a great nation and waste human potential.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #49 May 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteThere are potential Einsteins throughout the world. Ethnicity doesn't matter. That includes the ghettos of the USA, which is why it is important that ALL kids get a good education. Our inner city schools are a disgrace to a great nation and waste human potential. I agree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #50 May 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteThere are potential Einsteins throughout the world. Ethnicity doesn't matter. That includes the ghettos of the USA, which is why it is important that ALL kids get a good education. Our inner city schools are a disgrace to a great nation and waste human potential. I agree. That's right. Bring on vouchers and let the kids choose which school they attend. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
