millertime24 8 #1 November 19, 2015 Just came across this on FB. Lets be careful out there. This could be easily avoided.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 54 #2 November 19, 2015 The description said that it ended up with a pilotchute-in-tow and a reserve ride. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #3 November 19, 2015 That's what the article on FB said. My point is this could have been avoided before that container was closed.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blis 1 #4 November 19, 2015 I'm having a hard time figuring out how someone can mess up closing of the container that bad... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #5 November 19, 2015 BlisI'm having a hard time figuring out how someone can mess up closing of the container that bad... I have no idea how that happened. There are several possibilities, but none of them should matter. If the closing loop is the proper length this should never have happened. I also like to make the loop portion of mine only slightly larger than the pin. Yall can advise me on this, but I believe when pulled by a closing tool or pullup cord the tension will keep the loops diameter thus not allowing what is in the pic.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #6 November 19, 2015 Length of the loop seems correct. Size of the eye of the loop is too big.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #7 November 19, 2015 While the tail of the loop is too long, the more important issue, and the thing that allowed this mistake to be possible is that the loop itself is too large, i.e. the "hole" is too big. It should not be possible for the entire pin to fit through a properly manufactured loop.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lyosha 46 #8 November 19, 2015 piisfishLength of the loop seems correct. Size of the eye of the loop is too big. I have yet to see a closing loop that I couldn't fit a curved pin head through. Attention to detail when packing is important. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #9 November 19, 2015 Probably about 2010 I was speaking with Bill Booth and he said that he was going to change the closing method for the vector 3 but it would take 10 years before any skydivers noticed. He wasn't wrong ya know... -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #10 November 20, 2015 piisfishLength of the loop seems correct. Size of the eye of the loop is too big. Does it? I thought the grommets should be pretty much aligned.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreefallingCari 0 #11 November 20, 2015 I was looking at that, and really pondering it. To get that entire closing pin through that loop seems like the problem to *me*. I would think it would be deliberate, as in someone was not paying attention and just put the entire thing in.Skydiver Survivor; Battling Breast Cancer one jump at a time. DX June 19th 2014 I have been jumping since October 5th 2013. https://pinkribbonskydiver.wordpress.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreefallingCari 0 #12 November 20, 2015 I can totally NOT fit the curved pin head through my loop.Skydiver Survivor; Battling Breast Cancer one jump at a time. DX June 19th 2014 I have been jumping since October 5th 2013. https://pinkribbonskydiver.wordpress.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,911 #13 November 20, 2015 millertime24***Length of the loop seems correct. Size of the eye of the loop is too big. Does it? I thought the grommets should be pretty much aligned. Not on a Vector 3. The grommets are supposed to be offset, not stacked. Just like the picture.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #14 November 20, 2015 millertime24***Length of the loop seems correct. Size of the eye of the loop is too big. Does it? I thought the grommets should be pretty much aligned.did you ever read the manual for a Vector3 ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yvanpec 1 #15 November 20, 2015 UPT has replied to that Facebook post. Length of loop is correct, bridal routing is not. Incorrect bridal routing "may" have cause the pin to pass through the eye loop on deployment. Everyone should be able and capable of doing a pin check to themselves with the rig on their backs. Would have saved that dude a reserve ride.Better be on the ground wishing you were up there than being up there wishing you were on the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mxk 1 #16 November 20, 2015 Link: http://blueskiesmag.com/2015/11/19/pin-through-the-loop-official-upt-response/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishrigger 31 #17 November 20, 2015 I have also seen this on Facebook.couple points i like to make, first of all that a packer actually packed it without realizing this, i would seriously be scared to see the rest of the pack job. but the biggest issue i have with it why this was not Caught in a Routine Gear check? this rig should never have made it onto the jumpers back, let alone onto an aircraft and hell no before jumping out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lyosha 46 #18 November 20, 2015 FreefallingCariI can totally NOT fit the curved pin head through my loop. I would be very surprised if this were the case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #19 November 20, 2015 ***Incorrect bridal routing "may" have cause the pin to pass through the eye loop on deployment. quote] Anyone care to speculate on how??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tred 0 #20 November 20, 2015 gowlerk******Length of the loop seems correct. Size of the eye of the loop is too big. Does it? I thought the grommets should be pretty much aligned. Not on a Vector 3. The grommets are supposed to be offset, not stacked. Just like the picture. would there be any negative affects of packing a vector 3 with the grommets stacked? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,911 #21 November 20, 2015 Quotewould there be any negative affects of packing a vector 3 with the grommets stacked? From the UPT response. QuoteThe main side flap location and grommet offset is correct. The UPT Vector 3 container is designed and constructed to have the top 2 main grommets offset. This allows a low profile and better pin protection, allows the main pin cover to close correctly, and cosmetically the container will look as designed. The correct offset is as pictured, with the binding tapes stacked touching the edge of the grommet. Basically if you stack the grommets the side flaps will partially cover the slot that the tip of the pin cover flap fits into. This will cause if to not fit correctly. As well it will look a little thick and not as pretty as the designer wants it to.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betzilla 56 #22 November 20, 2015 QuoteIncorrect bridal routing "may" have cause the pin to pass through the eye loop on deployment. Anyone care to speculate on how??? UPT speculated on that for us, here: http://blueskiesmag.com/...ficial-upt-response/. Seems like a long shot to me, but admittedly, they are smarter than I. I have, however, personally seen an inexperienced, poorly supervised packer shove the eye of the pin right through a closing loop before, so Occam's Razor makes me think that's what happened this time too (and probably other times which no one has owned up to or published on the intergoogles). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justme12001 0 #23 November 20, 2015 I always make my own, and have never made one with a large enough loop for the entire pin to fit thru. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mxk 1 #24 November 20, 2015 Either way, a good argument for not pushing the pin in as far as it will go. I think this is what their second theory is getting at (or maybe the bridle catching the tip of the pin and actually pulling it vertically): [inline pin.jpg] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,911 #25 November 20, 2015 justme12001I always make my own, and have never made one with a large enough loop for the entire pin to fit thru. Most loops are large enough to fit the pin through. However, by the time you put a pullup cord into it and pull it under tension to get it through the grommets, it is difficult to also fit the eye of the pin through. I dislike overly long loops as well, but I don't think I've ever seen one too small to fit the eye of a curved pin through. Including factory supplied one on new rigs. Excepting CYPRES type loops for reserves. If it's large enough to fit a pullup easily, it's large enough to fit the eye.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
