Scoop 0 #1 February 7, 2007 A few times now I've grabbed the dive loops and given it some abuse on one front riser only to get a very placid turn which gradually speeds up but nothing very responsive. I'm jumping a Silhouette 210 loaded at 1.19:1 and am doing this from full flight up nice and high for shits and giggles. I'd like to be able to initiate and hold a spiralling momentum. Anyone got any tips other than stop being limp wristed and really give it some abuse? I do find the pressure on the fronts quite high. Wonder if I am overlooking something or theres something I can do to compliment the riser input like weight shifting maybe. Any thoughts? Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigSky 2 #2 February 7, 2007 I cant get my Silhouette 210 to dive either. All I really get is a flutter in the canopy.“Sometimes when I reflect back on all the beer I drink I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and their hopes and dreams. If I didn’t drink this beer, th Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yossarian 0 #3 February 7, 2007 i tried to dive a silhouette 190 once (maybe a 210, cant remember) and the damn thing span up on itself Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #4 February 7, 2007 You're not going to be able to induce a spiral by pulling down a front like that, I don't think, because as you build speed, it's going to want to plane out. If you're trying to do a 90, 180, etc...you might be getting the turn, but can't really feel it. I'm not a canopy coach, but having one work with me, I've been pulling front turns very high, and feeling it plane out after releasing, then going to toggles to flare, practicing these moves very high up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brettski74 0 #5 February 7, 2007 QuoteI do find the pressure on the fronts quite high. The front risers are usually harder to hold down. As the speed of the turn increases the load on the riser will increase and it will become even harder to hold down. This has been true on every canopy I've jumped. Shifting weight in the harness will also initiate a turn, but on my 210, I can shift almost all my weight onto one leg strap. If you want to know about gentle turns for lots of effort, try that. I really doubt that I could hold that kind of position in the harness while also trying to hold down a front riser in a spiral. A 210 is a fairly big canopy. Like everything fun in this world, if you really want to give it some, I would suggest using two hands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brettski74 0 #6 February 7, 2007 Quote I cant get my Silhouette 210 to dive either. All I really get is a flutter in the canopy. As I was informed in my recent canopy camp, a front riser dive should be nice and smooth. If the canopy is bucking and fluttering, then maybe you also have some brakes applied. Take a look at the tail of your canopy in full flight and perhaps get a rigger or canopy coach to watch you flying it. If the tail is being pulled down slightly even in full flight, then maybe you need to lengthen your brake lines. Once I did that, my front riser dives were smooth as silk - no more bucking and fluttering. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
csbrady 0 #7 February 8, 2007 im jumping a falcon 215 and i can get that monster to spin out of the sky using front risers. all i do is reach accross with one hand and pull as far down as i can and then use my other hand to pull it further. works like a charm Blues! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,619 #8 February 8, 2007 Quoteim jumping a falcon 215 and i can get that monster to spin out of the sky using front risers. all i do is reach accross with one hand and pull as far down as i can and then use my other hand to pull it further. works like a charm Blues! What are you doing with the toggles while you have both hands on one front riser?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damion75 0 #9 February 8, 2007 Quote If the tail is being pulled down slightly even in full flight, then maybe you need to get a qualified rigger to lengthen your brake lines. Once I did that, my front riser dives were smooth as silk - no more bucking and fluttering. I think that this might be a better idea! *************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brettski74 0 #10 February 8, 2007 QuoteQuote If the tail is being pulled down slightly even in full flight, then maybe you need to get a qualified rigger to lengthen your brake lines. Once I did that, my front riser dives were smooth as silk - no more bucking and fluttering. I think that this might be a better idea! [Tongue][Cool] That's what I meant, but I guess it doesn't hurt to be explicit in here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROK 0 #11 February 8, 2007 QuoteA few times now I've grabbed the dive loops and given it some abuse on one front riser only to get a very placid turn which gradually speeds up but nothing very responsive. I'm jumping a Silhouette 210 loaded at 1.19:1 and am doing this from full flight up nice and high for shits and giggles. I'd like to be able to initiate and hold a spiralling momentum. Anyone got any tips other than stop being limp wristed and really give it some abuse? I do find the pressure on the fronts quite high. Wonder if I am overlooking something or theres something I can do to compliment the riser input like weight shifting maybe. Any thoughts? Thanks I jump a 190 at 1.2/1 In order to get any action out of my front risers without doing a chin-up, I either give it some toggle input first, or rear riser then transition quickly to my fronts. It allows the "slack" I need to pull them down slowly. I keep my toggles in hand throughout the process. Inevitably my canopy does start bucking due to the brake lines pulling the rear of my canopy down, the farther I pull the front risers. Beware,if you lengthen your brake lines, your canopy will flare differently, and possibly not stall when you want it to... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lastchance 0 #12 February 8, 2007 Remember the B test? He's holding them in his teeth. I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #13 February 8, 2007 QuoteRemember the B test? He's holding them in his teeth. LMAO... I loved that part of the B exam!!"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lastchance 0 #14 February 8, 2007 A friend and I took our B exams at the same time and that became a standing joke between us ever since. We thought it was funny as hell that they would throw that answere in there. Glad it jogged your funny bone. I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigSky 2 #15 February 8, 2007 Oh man this whole time I thought that was the right answer I dont think my break lines are too short. I cant stall my canopy by just using deep breaks. P.S........shouldent you be working Lastchance“Sometimes when I reflect back on all the beer I drink I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and their hopes and dreams. If I didn’t drink this beer, th Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lastchance 0 #16 February 9, 2007 Yea, I probably should be. How about you? I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 153 #17 February 9, 2007 QuoteOh man this whole time I thought that was the right answer I dont think my break lines are too short. I cant stall my canopy by just using deep breaks. P.S........shouldent you be working Lastchance I've always had some buffet on: Star Trak II (308ft^2, 7-cell F-111) PD-260 (260ft^2, 9-cell F-111) Spectre 230 (230ft^2, 7-cell ZP) when diving straight. (Steering trim was not a problem at the time...) Recently got out the PD-260 and found that the trim is a little out now... Full stall at a little past 3/4 brakes ... Made for a careful landing. JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,379 #18 February 9, 2007 >I dont think my break lines are too short. I cant stall my canopy by just using deep breaks. That doesn't mean much. Your brake lines can be too short - and you still may not be able to stall it. Watch the tail during front riser dives, and if the tail is deflected at all - lengthen your brake lines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #19 February 10, 2007 I jumped a maveric 200 for 800 jumps, i was doing video on this canopy and when i needed to lose altitude i would pull only the outside line on one of the front risers. the tension is much less than the whole riser but usually requred the use of both hands as it is quite awckward. i would go back to using toggles at about 1000' my boss at the time was a CRW veteran and he suggested the technique to me! It worked for me!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #20 February 10, 2007 Thanks I had considered 2 handed tuggin' ( ooer missus) but not a line. Give it a go next time im in the air Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
