masterrigger1 2 #1 January 12, 2015 I thought I would show you guys a new tool I have come up with. It is called the Master Torq.It is great for winding down Pilot chutes into the container and also just holding tension on the pack job while answering the phone or waiting for the Pack job to settle a little before inserting the ripcord pin. It also will pre-stretch closing loops which was another rigger's idea BTW. The though slot for the pull up cord is barely seen in the last picture. It is just to the left of the shaft collar. [inline mastertorq1.jpg] [inline mastertorq2.jpg] I will have a couple of them at DeWolf's riggers course starting this Friday. MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earp 0 #2 January 12, 2015 Very creative use of a socket wrench! Now figure out how to attach a scale showing foot pounds of torque applied. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,902 #3 January 12, 2015 Awesome, even if it does look like something the Coyote would use to launch himself at the Road Runner. And it's too large for anyone to leave inside the container by accident, so no red flags needed.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #4 January 12, 2015 Ken, You coming to the PIA symposium in Daytona this March? I will be happy to show you everything it can do. MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,902 #5 January 12, 2015 I wish I was, but no. But I'd really like to try one of those on a Mirage G3.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #6 January 12, 2015 Another Option. Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #7 January 12, 2015 Quote Another Option. Yep, There are a few different ones out there. Ones with electric drive motors even. Did you design that one? MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #8 January 12, 2015 QuoteDid you design that one? I started with an existing design and made some improvements. It will loosen tension a little at a time, built in ruler, recess for size 0 grommet, anodizing, and cutout for temp pin. Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcordell 2 #9 January 12, 2015 I like that recess for the temp pin. That's a good addition. I want one!www.facebook.com/FlintHillsRigging Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #10 January 13, 2015 Quote I started with an existing design and made some improvements. It will loosen tension a little at a time, built in ruler, recess for size 0 grommet, anodizing, and cutout for temp pin. Yep, I saw a couple around before using a similar design. It looks like you have a 12" scale on the side which gives me so reference for size. What is your "working" range or stroke on it? I am guessing about 7-8" if you take into consideration for the loop on your pull up cord, etc... I had thought about a similar design about two years ago, but wanted the ability not to have to tie loops in the pullup and also be able to compress a long Pilot chute start to finish in one fail swoop. That is why I stuck with this design. The rotary take up is pretty much unlimited in regard of the amount of travel or stroke. MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcordell 2 #11 January 13, 2015 Are you selling them? If so how much? I use a cloverleaf reserve handle and knee plate which is exhausting after a while. I have one of the cheap cylinder tools with the rod that goes through it but I don't like it too much.www.facebook.com/FlintHillsRigging Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #12 January 13, 2015 Everything old is new again. http://www.silverparachutes.com/ez-close-ratchet-for-parachute-riggers/ Allen's smaller footprint allows it to not bridge the sides of a javelin, wings, etc. A local rigger saw mine about 12 years ago and made his with a cut off ratchet like yours. Your wood working a little better. When I got mine from Allen a Korean comp. was showing a closer at the symposium. It was 18" or more high and much more complex. Designed for small women military riggers. I should them Allen's and you could see their shoulders sag and their faces droop. You can tear a rig apart with these. I don't let newbie riggers use it. You need some 'feel' for how hard your pulling. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #13 January 13, 2015 Use a "square" hole in the end of the axle like "Wink's" crank tool and put a torque wrench in it. But torque doesn't equate to pull force.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #14 January 13, 2015 Quote Everything old is new again.Wink http://www.silverparachutes.com/...r-parachute-riggers/ Allen's smaller footprint allows it to not bridge the sides of a javelin, wings, etc. The concept is old. My tool is somewhat different though. I saw Allen's at the 1st San Diego PIA symposium when he was showing it there. Nice tool but I thought it needed some refinement for my purposes though. Master Torq differences: * Can be made left or right handed in about two minutes or less *The torque shaft is mounted forward about 1 1/4 inches to help with the balance and Temp Pin insertion. * Is basically a one piece design meaning that you do not have a separate ratchet which IMHO is cumbersome at best. *Lighter and center balanced *The 4 inch lever or crank is somewhat a limiting factor with regards to applied torque. It is not the typical 9-10 inch handle that you usually see on a 3/8" ratchet. *The base or "footprint" is smaller width wise than a standard knee plate, but not as small as Allen's. I think too small of a footprint is more likely to damage the PC spring and/or the PC top plate. *Simple construction which generally equals a cheaper price. MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #15 January 13, 2015 Quote Are you selling them? Yes, but not on this forum. You can PM me or call the shop. Thanks, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #16 January 14, 2015 Very nice,,,why the choice of wood over metal or Alumn ?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #17 January 14, 2015 Quote Very nice,,,why the choice of wood over metal or Alumn ? Well. I like wood because it just looks really good if finished correctly. Also, closed grain oak is about as tough as anything. Cost is higher than aluminum though.... MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
erdnarob 1 #18 January 18, 2015 Very clever device. Congratulations. I like the combination of wood (oak) and metal. I will check it out at the PIA symposium.Learn from others mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dpreguy 14 #19 January 19, 2015 Your's is the 4th iteration of this tool. It is very nice and has some nice features. Being an inventor myself, I like it's features and it is a cool device. Even though you are 4th in line, it is great to see inventions that work. I look forward to seeing it at PIA 2015 Daytona. 1st one is Allen Silver's. Yours is similar, but has improvements 2d one was displayed by a couple of really cool Japanese guys, who displayed their product at their booth at the last Reno PIA. It also used a ratchet wrench. 3rd is the Dominator pictured by hooknswoop. It has been used in my loft by hooknswoop and works like a charm. Yours is the 4th version. New in design, size etc Can't wait to see it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigBearCards 0 #20 January 19, 2015 These are REALLY nifty tools. But have you, or anyone, done pull tests to see that using all these types of devices aren't making the ripcord pull greater than allowed. Making it easier to get the loop up though a very tight container has always been the 'hardest' part of the pack job. And most of the time you could count on fabric compression to 'naturally' loosen it up, but I've heard of some folks having very hard ripcord pulls. I have a friend who took a pic holding her rig up by the reserve ripcord handle. Container had both main and reserve still packed in it. Ripcord pin stayed in place. Every repack I do a pull test on every rig I pack, and haven't had any that exceeded the limit, but I don't use any nifty devices like you've shown here (though I'd love that one with the temp pin recess - sooooo cool!). Let me know about your experiences with pull tests. :) Mary T. Master Rigger for 20+ years Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #21 January 19, 2015 Quote Your's is the 4th iteration of this tool. It is very nice and has some nice features. Walt, Actually,my tool is probably the 10th or better iteration. I personally have seen that many different versions of this concept. The one that is closest to my Tool is from France and I saw that one about 5 years ago. Thanks for the kudos and will catch up with you at Daytona, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 261 #22 January 19, 2015 BigBearCardsThese are REALLY nifty tools. But have you, or anyone, done pull tests to see that using all these types of devices aren't making the ripcord pull greater than allowed. That could use a new thread. Want to start one? (I do use a similar rigging tool much of the time and yes with small modern rigs I find pull forces are often right up at the limit, sometimes taking overnight to settle down. But even with good progressive working of the pack job, such a tool is a big help for the last 1/4" of loop for the last flaps.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dpreguy 14 #23 January 19, 2015 Yes, let's meet in Daytona. I'd live to see it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dpreguy 14 #24 January 20, 2015 Oops ...love... to see it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gary73 8 #25 January 26, 2015 Showed this to Dave a few years ago. He didn't think there'd be a market for it. Probably right, but I love it anyway. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
