skydiverek 54 #1 November 5, 2014 Do Pilots made after 2009 open somehow worse/faster that Pilots made before 2009? The difference is that before 2009 Pilots had F-111 ribs, and after 2009 they have ZP/ZPX ribs. I browsed thru some posts about Pilot canopies here on Dropozne.com. There are a few posts by Bushman (from Aerodyne), back from 2007 when he was their empployee, saying that they were trying going from F-111 ribs to ZP/ZPX ribs, and the openings got worse on those 'experimental R&D' canopies, back then. I do know that now the ribs are always ZP/ZPX, no F-111 anymore, hence my original question: do Pilots made after 2009 open worse/faster that Pilots made before 2009? Or, did they manage to fix this 'issue' with ZP/ZPX ribs? I am most interested in Pilot 168, normal ZP fabric. Bushman's posts: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2675516;search_string=ribs;#2675516 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2676249;search_string=ribs;#2676249 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1324058;search_string=ribs;#1324058 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #2 November 5, 2014 So Erek, why do you equate faster with worse? Some of us think the newer canopy designs that take 800 - 1000' to open are streamers that should be cutaway. When we get out at 2000' we can't afford to waste 800'. Guess that's why I'm still jumping original Sabres and Triathlons.I haven't thought about but is there even a new canopy I could buy that opens fast? Other than crw and base canopies. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #3 November 5, 2014 I think the older ones opened better, they were called Hornets. Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #4 November 6, 2014 Unless they opened reaaaaallly well. Loved my Hornet 170 but sometimes it was a powder keg!"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 54 #5 November 7, 2014 The slower opening, the better for me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #6 November 7, 2014 skydiverek The slower opening, the better for me Because slowing the trying with a different size/profile slider is completely out of the question, right ? Please let us know which instrument you use to measure the "7 seconds" and what you consider your starting and end point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 54 #7 November 7, 2014 The slower opening, the better for me Quote Because slowing the trying with a different size/profile slider is completely out of the question, right ? Wrong. I start with the slowest possible opening canopy, and slow it further with larger sliders, if necessary. I prefer to have the "correct" canopy right away, as opposed to modyfing it later. I will be probably buying brand new. Quote Please let us know which instrument you use to measure the "7 seconds" and what you consider your starting and end point. My own, and also outside video. Starting point: snatch force, body set to vertial position. End point: slider 75% down (at this point canopy is basically inflated). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deyan 31 #8 November 7, 2014 skydiverek The slower opening, the better for me That's the canopy for you then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK3uWGdh6eA"My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 54 #9 November 7, 2014 Deyan ***The slower opening, the better for me That's the canopy for you then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK3uWGdh6eA I send seven, not seventy ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
