3fLiEr 0 #1 September 25, 2001 I have a question - I want to know from peoples experiences, knowledge, readings, findings, tests et cetera et cetera the time / height you will get under a reserve at a sub terminal deployment and a terminal deployment - yes I know various factors will have to be taken into account - but please lets just speak generally before you flame me. Just humour me for a moment.....Discuss-1) Deployment from terminal freefall2) immediate deployment from a cutaway or low speed aircraft exit (sub terminal)Just me being curious having never had a reserve ride in 350 jumps............ Nice !BSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #2 September 25, 2001 well i have no idea on the time it took my reserve to inflate both times. bother were from almost good canopies flying pretty strait and stable. if ya wana time it ya can look at my "ripped main" video here in the video vault.. ya can hear the velcrow from both handles and then count i guess untill i look up and my caopy is inflating.........ah, what the hell i'll go watch it and tell ya..........okay.. maybe 3 or 4 seconds from pulling the ripcord to having it inflate...this is under a ravenII (218sq.ft.) and me weighing in around 190 geared up. so with gravity pulling at 9 meters a second and 3 seconds i was probly maybe 150 feet, that's not counting the downward speed i had while under my main canopy..."up my noooossseee"- wingnut, at first euro dz.com boogie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyguy 0 #3 September 26, 2001 I have just had one. A baglock, so terminal. I don't really think it was much more than 4 seconds from the time I pitched my main pilot chute, determined that wasn't going to work, and was under a good reserve. I say that, because time slows way down in a situation like that, and it was all very quick. I even paused a second (I am sure way less than a second) after I cutaway. But I do remember, immediately after I started pulling my reserve, I was slammed, and hanging under a good reserve. Faster than fast, and I didn't even mind. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heathmor 0 #4 September 26, 2001 Hey wingnut, You ever know of anyone just cutting away for the hell of it! This guy at our DZ cut away last week said he had a mal but he appeared to be under a good canopy and flying straight. That seems pretty insane to me since it is your last resort. The JM inspected the chute after he collected it and it was still in good condition. Heath If your not living on the edge; Your taking up too much space!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #5 September 26, 2001 QuoteHey wingnut, You ever know of anyone just cutting away for the hell of it! sure, a bunch of people have done it.....with a three parachute system! my first reserve ride was under a perfectly good main but lack of knowlage/training caused me to cut it away..(damn unconected stearing toggle) .........so maybe the dude that did cut it away did think something was wrong....."up my noooossseee"- wingnut, at first euro dz.com boogie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #6 September 26, 2001 On a high speed spinning mal under a Spinetto, from the time I chopped to the time I was under a good reserve was about 6 seconds, and maybe 700ft......and I took the time to get stable, since I had plenty of altitude.. On my baglock, it took about 2-3 seconds from the time I pulled the reserve handle until I was under a good canopy....and under 400ft.. I waited a couple seconds after cutting away to pull the reserve, and I tracked forward a bit to get away from the main falling in the bag......with my luck, if I had stayed under it, it would've wrapped around the reserve freebag and baglocked it.. Plus, I had plenty of altitude to burn..Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RemiAndKaren 0 #7 September 26, 2001 On my PAD (as opposed to IAD.. Plane Assisted Deployement) my reserve opened in about 1 or 2 seconds (from the video)RemiMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emma 0 #8 September 26, 2001 QuoteJust me being curious having never had a reserve ride in 350 jumpsFool. After tempting Fate so extravagently, I'd say you'd best get touching wood, fast. (Find the double entendre if you will - I guess you're probably covered in *that* respect already)Emma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3fLiEr 0 #9 September 26, 2001 i'm getting a fatty............ ;opBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emma 0 #10 September 26, 2001 Have you got a Twix and a can of coke? I'm sure we can sort something out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3fLiEr 0 #11 September 26, 2001 Nice work hammers........... I will get Ratboy to order in a bulk order just for you and Falmer Palmer .......... what a weekend this'll be!!..............BSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,739 #12 September 26, 2001 >1) Deployment from terminal freefallI would guess 200-300 feet, or 1.5 to 2 seconds, from PC launch to slider coming down.>2) immediate deployment from a cutaway or low speed aircraft exit (sub terminal)Fastest I've experienced from an aircraft (80 kts) is 30 feet, sub 1 second (42" PC, BASE main with mesh slider)From cutaway (zero airspeed) 50-70 feet 2 seconds or so from a Reflex.Tandem reserves take forever to deploy from a cutaway. (Not sure the actual times, but it sure feels like forever.)-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,739 #13 September 26, 2001 Hey wingnut, You ever know of anyone just cutting away for the hell of it! This guy at our DZ cut away last week said he had a mal but he appeared to be under a good canopy and flying straight. That seems pretty insane to me since it is your last resort. -----------------------Seems less insane than BASE jumping, since you have one canopy that is your _only_ resort.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flipper 0 #14 September 27, 2001 spinning mal.....cutaway to reserve...appx 200 feetnot done the terminal thing ....yetflipper Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingMarc 0 #15 September 27, 2001 My only reserve ride has been under a 26' round... it was a slow spinning mal under a student main, all I know is it opened frickin fast...! Chop, arch, look up, and there it was... I'd be interested to hear the differences in opening characteristics of round reserves vs. squares...Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3fLiEr 0 #16 September 27, 2001 Why see BASE as insane - people skydive with the attitude - "I have a reserve" - bascially saying if the main dont work - out pops the reserve and all will be cool - why is that so different to seeing your BASE canopy as the reserve - why would that mal anymore than your reserve - thus making it insane??? - I dont get it??? but hey thats just me wondering..............BSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #17 September 27, 2001 Dude, I think you misinterpreted what Bill meant when he said insane (meaning radical etc). You no parlayed the lingo, comprehendo amigo? He is actually a base jumper and helps with the organization of Bridge Day.Hey Bill, a while back I read an essay you wrote about Bridge Day. Is that still on-line? You mind posting it here?Cheers/s Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,739 #18 September 27, 2001 >Why see BASE as insane - people skydive with the attitude - "I have a reserve"> - bascially saying if the main dont work - out pops the reserve and all will be> cool - why is that so different to seeing your BASE canopy as the reserve Because if your main mals once in 1000 jumps, and your reserve mals once in 1000 jumps, your odds of having to land a malfunction are one in a million. If your BASE canopy mals once in 1000 jumps, your odds are 1 in 1000.And to answer your original question, I don't think BASE is insane, but neither is it safe. As I pack both my skydiving reserve and my BASE rig, I would feel about as confident relying on either one. I'm not 100% confident I will never screw up, but I'm close enough to 100% to allow me to jump with sufficient safety.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 869 #19 September 27, 2001 Quoteever know of anyone just cutting away for the hell of it! I once saw a video of a guy who was pissed off cause his buddies got cleared for a 3-second delay and he was still on static. On a hanging exit from a C-206, he let go of the strut and went for his handles. It was pretty funny shit to see the instructor hauling in the SL bag with main still inside, and then the guy tells the JM that he had a mal. The dumb bastard could've gotten away with it if he'd waited another 3 seconds.The guy got to do his 'freefall', and he got sent the fuck home.Live to Jump, Pull to LiveLippy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
