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Footage for first jump class

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ozzy13    0

ozzy13
I am working with my AFFI in putting a video together for the FJC . I am looking for footage and suggestion on this . For the footage anything with good dive flows to bad ones , landings Ect. I posted the begginings of the Mal. part on skydiving Movie's . WE have changed this already by taking the end out . If you have any sugestions on what else would go good in the video please let me know. Again we want to put every part of the course in the video ( good and bad and do's and don'ts ) in the video . Here is a link to what we have already and thanks for your help
http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=5577
Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

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Hi Ozzy,

Just make sure that if you use footage (video or narration) that you ask the author for permission. In most cases they won't mind, but, you will need to acknowledge their input and give them credit. Most of us have used that old training video. Can you imagine how much work was put into it back then (without all our new cameras and editing software)?

Keep up the good work!

Kent
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What we really need to RAW footage of any malfunctions, AFF videos, student exits, and any other material that might help out new comers. It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could send us any RAW footage that you might have. I would like to make this DVD as clear as possible. I will not be making any money off this DVD and would be happy to send any contributors a finalized copy when it's finished. Please contact me if you can be of any help.
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MakeItHappen    15

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I am working with my AFFI in putting a video together for the FJC . I am looking for footage and suggestion on this . For the footage anything with good dive flows to bad ones , landings Ect. I posted the begginings of the Mal. part on skydiving Movie's . WE have changed this already by taking the end out . If you have any sugestions on what else would go good in the video please let me know. Again we want to put every part of the course in the video ( good and bad and do's and don'ts ) in the video . Here is a link to what we have already and thanks for your help
http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=5577



I looked at both of your videos.

My impression is that you are making it WAAAAAYYYYYY too complicated to learn what a good canopy or malfunction looks like and what to do about it. This applies especially to FJC students. Students further along could learn more about the specifics of mals, but you need to keep it very simple for FJS.

In a nutshell, all a FJS needs to know is
- is something there?
- is it square? (really rectangular, but they get the idea with square)
- is it controllable?
If the canopy (or lack there of) fails any one of these tests, then execute EPs.

FJS do not need to know the names of line over, torn canopy, broken lines, bag lock, pilot chute in tow, streamer, horseshoe, slider suck on a half-hitch, slider spin, etc.

To handle the minor problems of line twists, slider up and end cell closure, you have them in the hanging harness and say
'You look up and see this' Show flash card of line twists.
They respond by pulling apart risers and kicking out of the twists.
Then you say 'Oh the slider is still up near the canopy' Show them a flash card.
The std responds by pumping the toggles to get the slider down.
Then you say 'OOps the end cells are closed.' Show them a flash card.
The std responds by pulling the toggles down and holding them until the end cells inflate.
You do this all on one practice opening in the hanging harness and repeat.
This is much more effective than watching videos of the same stuff.

To handle the mals that require EPs, show them a picture flash card of such-n-such. You do NOT have to (nor should you) go into the names and detailed descriptions of these mals. That only overloads their already overloaded mind. No one, especially FJS, needs to diagnose that they had such-n-such mal. All they need to know is that it was not there or that it was not square and was not controllable.
For the two-out situations, you tell them the proper procedure and then flash them a picture and have them respond.
Repeat until correct.

A few minutes in the hanging harness can teach more than the same time spent watching your video.

For EPs all they need to know are the procedures for totals (nothing there) or partials (something there, but not square or controllable)
Some DZs do teach the same EP (cutaway-pull reserve) for both totals and partials. That is acceptable but is not the best solution.

EPs
Total - pull reserve
Partial - cutaway and pull reserve


Some specifics about your video:
- what you call the floater exit is not a floater exit. It is the praying mantis exit. You are setting them up for confusion down the road.
- the 'good canopy' example is one of a CRW canopy (looks like a Pursuit) with a retractable PC. STD gear is not like this. They will see a PC and bridle line trailing the main.
- 'unusual mals' - You use this term to describe the minor problems or line twists, slider up and end cell closure. These are not mals unless the jumper reaches their decision altitude. The SIM uses the term 'unusual situations' for premies, two-out and canopy collisions. This could lead to confusion down the road.
- It is a really BAD teaching technique to teach 'what not to do'. Recast into 'what to do'.


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billvon    2,879

billvon
>you have 175 jumps you know nothing . . .

Yep. I was a SL JM when I had 175 jumps; I thought I knew it all. Was teaching students and everything! Took another few hundred jumps to realize I didn't know jack shit. It's a phase all skydivers have to go through I think.

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ozzy13    0

ozzy13

I wont really say what I want too . But I will say That I dont know shit . I never said I did . I am WORKING with a AFFI on this . All I am doing is gathering footage and he is telling me what to do with it . Thanks for your comments ;)

Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

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billvon    2,879

billvon
>All I am doing is gathering footage and he is telling me what to do with it .

Nothing wrong with that. I mean, I put dozens of students out back then; they all survived, so I must have been doing something right! And of course I learned a lot about dealing with students while I was doing that. Sounds like you'll end up learning a lot about AFF in the process of making the video.

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