V111pilot 1 #1 June 26, 2007 Here's some good reading regarding seatbelts in jump planes: http://www.faa.gov/library/reports/medical/oamtechreports/1990s/media/9811.pdf Recommendations are on the last page. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #2 June 26, 2007 http://www.faa.gov/library/reports/medical/oamtechreports/1990s/media/9811.pdf Clicky.Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinjin 0 #3 June 27, 2007 thanks for posting,very informativedont let life pass you by Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #4 June 27, 2007 1998. Crash position recommended to be leaning back (towards the front of the airplane). So why do so many teach that the crash position should be leaning forward (toward the rear) of the airplane? When seated facing the rear of the airplane, what crash position to YOU teach?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontiego 0 #5 June 27, 2007 I heard that the facing back position was best for identification in case of crash + fire, because the teeth of the victims were more likely to be intact. Was it a joke or does it make sense?"We call on the common man to rise up in revolt against this evil of typographical ignorance." http://bancomicsans.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 598 #6 June 27, 2007 Intertwine fingers around back of neck and pray. This will probably break a few fingers, but would you rather suffer a broken finger or a broken neck? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 598 #7 June 27, 2007 Yes. Circa 1997, I prepared a bunch of harness/containers (Talon, Flexon, Javlein, Racer, etc.) and sent them off to Oklahoma City. When Sandy Reid returned with test video, we dutifully watched the video, but lost interest after the fourth simulated crash. By then, it was obvious that Jack Hooker's brand of skydiver seat belts were by far the best solution. Sure, most of the test dummies would have suffered neck injuries, but that is insignificant compared with the injuries suffered during the Perris Twin Otter crash or the Hinkley Beech crash. Odd! But, Transport Canada has ignored that FAA study for the last decade! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,684 #8 June 27, 2007 >So why do so many teach that the crash position should be leaning forward >(toward the rear) of the airplane? Because that's what the answer is for commercial (seated, facing forward) aircraft, and that's what the SIM says: AIRCRAFT EMERGENCIES 1. Rough landing procedures: a. helmet and seat belt on b. knees to chest c. hands clasped behind head to reinforce neck d. immediate but orderly exit from the aircraft on landing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
altichick 1 #9 June 27, 2007 BPA http://www.bpa.org.uk/forms.htm Form F261 is pretty specific. I believe this was agreed after a working group looked at the 2004 Dunkeswell cessna crash. The investigation following this accident http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources/G-BGED_11-05.pdf Pg. 47 also discusses brace positions. Don't sweat the petty things... and don't pet the sweaty things! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
V111pilot 1 #10 July 12, 2007 Thanks. Good additional info. Bu I cannot get the "form" link to load??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longtall 0 #11 July 17, 2007 Thanks for the post of the investagation of the c-206 crash. Did BPA come up with an appropriate "brace" position for parachutists as recomended in safety recommendation 2005-060 ? ..................................................J..........." 90 right, five miles then cut."---Pukin Buzzards Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
