the real roots of the "peace movement"

[bodypilot90 0]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm


Protestors Are Anti-Capitalists

March 14, 2003


There’s another anti-war protest planned in San Francisco this Saturday. A headline in Friday’s San Francisco Chronicle read: “Anarchists to Take Part in S.F. March - They Say They're Demonstrating Against Evils of Capitalism.” Hey, at least the anti-war crowd is starting to be honest about who they are.

The article reported, “The anonymous call for a splinter protest has gone out on the same independent media, anarchist websites and flyers as advertised the breakaway march that led to 45 arrests after a peaceful demonstration Feb. 16 in San Francisco. Police know it's coming. So do organizers of the main anti-war demonstration, who are unaffiliated with the loosely knit, anarchist-led side protest. But they say they can't do anything to stop it, and have no idea how big it will be. Then again, neither do the breakaway organizers. They just put out the call, tell people to wear black clothing and a mask, and see who shows up.”

In essence, they’re demonstrating against the evils of capitalism and freedom. What's wrong with this is the notion that the anarchists are a splinter group of the anti-war group. They're one and the same, folks. They're all motivated by an anti-capitalist platform when you get down to the root of it all.

note red flags in the photo

[billvon 2,396]

>In essence, they’re demonstrating against the evils of capitalism and
> freedom. What's wrong with this is the notion that the anarchists are a
> splinter group of the anti-war group. They're one and the same, folks.
>They're all motivated by an anti-capitalist platform when you get down
> to the root of it all.

I am a peace demonstrator; I do not believe that capitalism is inherently evil, nor is freedom evil. Nor did the five other skydivers I was at the demonstration with. Therefore your assumption above is wrong.

Or, if you believe that everyone who shares a single belief shares all beliefs, please explain why you support violence instead of democracy in US politics. After all, this pro-war protester supports it. Note flag in picture.

[racer42 0]

It's quite legal to be anti capitalist. It's even legal to be a communist. Mind you there's not much of a future in it, but it is still legal.
BTW have you ever sat in a roomful of anarchists? How can you be led by anarchists? It's like trying to herd cats, only these guys never stop talking. Anarchists are very annoying. But still legal.

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[bodypilot90 0]

see the video.

http://www.brain-terminal.com/articles/video/peace-protest.html

what people of Iraq would say to you peace protesters

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-taheri022603.asp

There were the usual suspects: the remnants of the Left, from Stalinists and Trotskyites to caviar socialists. There were the pro-abortionists, the anti-GM food crowd, the anti-capital-punishment militants, the black-rights gurus, the anti-Semites, the "burn Israel" lobby, the "Bush-didn't-win-Florida" zealots, the unilateral disarmers, the anti-Hollywood "cultural exception" merchants, and the guilt-ridden postmodernist "everything is equal to everything else" philosophers.

[Skyrad 0]

Wow, do you like anyone?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Snowflake 0]

What is your point? do you even know?

[bodypilot90 0]

I like most ppl, I just want to be sure the marchers know who they are marching with.

[bodypilot90 0]

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What is your point? do you even know?

My point is while most of the marchers are there because of what they "think" is the truth, it is important to know who is heading the marches and paying the bills

[sundevil777 93]

Do you remember the economic summit in Calgary a few months back? Some American anarchists went up to participate in protests, but were turned off by the LACK OF ORGANIZATION of the Canadian anarchists!

Good stuff, I know what your point is.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[bodypilot90 0]

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Wow, do you like anyone?

did you see the video?

[skydyvr 0]

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Wow, do you like anyone?

did you see the video?

Great interview, and very revealing! Thanks for posting the link. Judging by the conversations I've had with my liberal friends and family, the interviews are fairly representative of the norm.

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[bodypilot90 0]

yep seems to be from what I saw

[AndyMan 7]

Odd. I thought we'd left blatant stereotype in the past. It's unfortunate that world events cause us to throw away our principles so quickly.

_Am

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You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead.

[Iflyme 0]

So do you advocate removing their right to assembly and to freedom of speech because they don't agree with you?

I see you advocate boycotting anything from Germany or France. Because they have views differing from yours? Starting now, I'm boycotting YOU

[MC208B 0]

Bill, WE ARE THE BORG, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE......

Just kidding of course!

Portland had a rather large crowd of peace protesters Saturday also (no, I certainly wasn't there )

I have no problem with people getting together and expressing a different opinion, that's the American way isn't it?

Besides, it's always amusing to see these people on the news, such a wide cross section of society. You have the non drummers drumming, belly dancer chicks with their message on their belly and this one even had a guy in a bear suit, told the news people that even Pooh is against the war.....I was moved...sniff....sniff.....

And of course the local anarcists? were out in a small way. They split off from the main parade and decided to take over the Morrison Bridge, nice footage of one of those jerks getting knocked down and later arrested by a cop in an SUV.....he he he! He was the only arrest this time out of a crowd of about 20,000, lucky dude!

What really impressed me tho was probably 19,500 of these people didn't look like the usual wackos, ordinary people out there en masse?

Mike

[Phil 0]

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boycott anything from France or Germany

very good - now imagine all the countries that have nothing to say about this war bs.

What if they decide to stop buying American products? And I mean not just the French and the Germans but every Country that is against the war will ban US products?! And not just Products but also Securities and everything else that is US denominated?

Ready to extend your war ambitions?

Buy our fucking product or else?

Just food for thought before we start burning books again...

Phil

how high can you fly with broken wings ...
life's a journey not a destination

[PhillyKev 0]

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boycott anything from France or Germany

Don't go to a Red Roof Inn or Motel 8, or watch anything produced by Universal Studios, or but a Nissan, or use any medicines from RPR, don't use a protrack. Gee, I wonder how many Americans would lose their job if everyone really boycotted all French and German products.

Come on, that's just silly. Personally, I don't like what France or Germany did either. If we would have presented a unified stance to Iraq he may have been more inclined to take us seriously and be more forthright in disarming. But boycots don't work and only hurt the employees, especially those in the US.

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>In essence, they’re demonstrating against the evils of capitalism and
> freedom. What's wrong with this is the notion that the anarchists are a
> splinter group of the anti-war group. They're one and the same, folks.
>They're all motivated by an anti-capitalist platform when you get down
> to the root of it all.

I am a peace demonstrator; I do not believe that capitalism is inherently evil, nor is freedom evil. Nor did the five other skydivers I was at the demonstration with. Therefore your assumption above is wrong.

Or, if you believe that everyone who shares a single belief shares all beliefs, please explain why you support violence instead of democracy in US politics. After all, this pro-war protester supports it. Note flag in picture.

It appears that as is typical, the protest movement has been hijacked.

"Communists Run Anti-War Movement"

I grant you that AIM sees what it chooses to see, and myopically, at that. Yet, sometimes, truth speaks for itself, despite coming through a wacky, right-wing filter (these are the same goofballs that insist TWA 800 was shot down by a SAM).

edit to add "goofball" remark.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[Push 0]

This is a very interesting take on Capitalism and Freedom. Do as we say or we will stop playing with you. I don't agree with France and Germany, neither do I agree with Bush, but I just can't understand this. What is your definition of free speech and freedom of opinion? You can have whatever opinion as long as it's the same as mine? You can wear any color as long as it's red? One more thing. What makes you so sure that Capitalism is the best market structure possible? Maybe there isn't anything better currently available, but if noone was acting against the evils of Feudalism, where would we be today? Perhaps your grand-grandchildren will be learning in their schools about the barbarism of the Capitalists of the 20th century, the system that harnessed the worst in human nature (no, I'm not a communist/anarchist/whatever).

Through disagreement comes progress, or at least that's what I think. You are, of course, welcome to disagree.

To make a comment on the video, billvon has a few suggestions that could be tried before full-blown war that he voiced on the forum, IIRC. I believe I spoke out with a couple of suggestions, also. I can dig out the threads, if you insist.

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[hughbetcha 0]

Hey yeah alright
let me know if you are going to unload your cypres for super cheap!
mark

[Push 0]

If I understand correctly, you're referring to my comments about Capitalism. I do not claim to have a better system. All I'm trying to convey is that it is not immediately obvious that Capitalism is the Jesus of the marketplace. It could be, or there may turn up to be something better. You just never know.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

Sorry, but your idea that most of the war protestors are commies, anarchists, whatever is totally unsupported. It has been widely reported that the large protests in DC and New York were not just extremist lefties, but were predominantly average, middle-of-the-road Americans.

You don't have to be a left-winger to be against the war in Iraq. There are plenty of Republicans who don't support it either, even on capitol hill. Don't forget, it used to be that the Republicans were the ones who resisted foreign war, and complained that the Democrats were the "war party".

Just because you don't agree with someone on an issue doesn't mean you get to paint them as all belonging to left-wing lunatic fringe groups. It might make you feel more comfortable with your decision re. Iraq, but you are only fooling yourself.

And this French/German boycott doesn't make much sense to me. If you think it does, better get rid of your Cypres.

Speed Racer
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[kallend 1,623]

Sucks that you were born about 50 years too late to have been a McCarthy aide.

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[PhillyKev 0]

Poindexterism has a better ring to it anyway.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Sucks that you were born about 50 years too late to have been a McCarthy aide.

For someone who has shown themselves to be sensitive to personal attacks in the past, you sure do dish them out. I think you owe an apology for this one John.