gowlerk 1,903 #51 March 12, 2012 You may have been taught that silicon bumpers are a bad idea. However if you consult the PD manual you will find that they supply and require that you use them if using number 4 Rapide links, also supplied with the canopy. The manual also shows how to tie them down properly. As always READ THE MANUAL. Was this a PDR? KenAlways remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #52 March 12, 2012 When the top "stop" has totally disappeard and you have 2mm of The threading which is visible you can easily identify it as abusedscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #53 March 12, 2012 Quote You may have been taught that silicon links are a bad idea. However if you consult the PD manual you will find that they supply and require that you use them if using number 4 Rapide links, also supplied with the canopy. The manual also shows how to tie them down properly. As always READ THE MANUAL. Was this a PDR? Ken IIRC~ My Strong Stellar Reserve came with the Rapide links the bumpers and the cord to tie them down... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 153 #54 March 13, 2012 I've recently come across several individuals who have been told not to use the silicone (or vinal) hard link covers. (reference both main and reserves). This is interesting as they were normal/standard on mains before soft links and seem to still be common with reserves shipped with hard links. The only thing I recall hearing bad about them was that they should be tacked to ensure they don't get worked up the lines (though some insist this only need be done when they're not tight on the link, I prefer 100% tack). Is there something I'm missing on the "why" of hard link covers being bad?? (Several reason's they are good - protect the slider grommet from hard impact on the links and keep link/line orientation to prevent side-load and/or single line loading) JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #55 March 13, 2012 please do not use the word "save" to describe a reserve ride on a canopy I packed. I never liked that word and it depicts the fact that a Rigger might have saved the life of someone who would otherwise have died.You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #56 March 13, 2012 Quoteit depicts the fact that a Rigger might have saved the life of someone who would otherwise have died. eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavscout73 0 #57 March 20, 2012 maybe its not the right spot but what do you do when you decide to sell a rig. 1) been inspected on reserve intervals 2)prior to selling you have a third party rigger check it out for airworthyness. 3 buyer gets the rig then gets his rigger to say its unairworthy?? well if its a paypal sale you are out of luck and selling shit all over again! my question is here.. is it different standards, different opinions on whats good or is it the fact that the person inspecting had something to sell himself and thought that saying bad rig better send it back and buy mine instead?? I am still learning this sport only been in it a couple years and havent sold much but whats the general thoughts out there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMPattersonJr 0 #58 March 20, 2012 HMMM.... I'm one of the Inspectors at Parachute Labs (Jump Shack) and we send every main and reserve in the field with hard links with a rubber surgical tubing for cover. The tubing is always tight on the link but we still require that they all be tied down on the reserves. Most jumpers using Ty. 17 main risers (Most of us these days) we do not require them to be tied down but, suggest that the tubing be slid just far enough on the link that the top (line end) of the link is just covered. The remainder of the tubing covers the link and possibly some of the top of the riser.Blue SkiesBlack DeathFacebook www.PLabsInc.com www.SkydiveDeLand.com www.FlyteSkool.ws Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 8 #59 March 20, 2012 It always drives me nuts when I pack a PD reserve and the number of packjobs recorded on the packing data card doesn't match the number of checks on the TSO box. Those records should match.=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #60 May 19, 2012 If you are out of red seal thread, it is better IMO to leave the rig unsealed (specially in countries where it is not mandatory ) rather than to improvise some seal thread with 8 turns of an other thread. Reached over 25kg/50lbs pull to move the pin and open the reserve scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #61 May 20, 2012 On that note, also don't use two turns of seal thread to keep the seal in place if one breaks."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #62 May 20, 2012 Quote If you are out of red seal thread, it is better IMO to leave the rig unsealed (specially in countries where it is not mandatory ) rather than to improvise some seal thread with 8 turns of an other thread. Reached over 25kg/50lbs pull to move the pin and open the reserve ..................................................................... You can any cheap, flimsy embroidery thread, as long as it breaks at less than 4 pounds. Hint: the MIL SPE for seal thread includes a minimum breacing strength of 3.75 ponds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #63 May 20, 2012 it was a nylon thread which broke at around 10lbs... plus there wasn't even a seal of any kind and I am not commenting on the packjob which was clearly not anywhere close to any manual I have ever seen... fortunately, the rigger left all his contacts with the data cards. Will give him a call scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #64 May 20, 2012 QuoteIt always drives me nuts when I pack a PD reserve and the number of packjobs recorded on the packing data card doesn't match the number of checks on the TSO box. Those records should match. what if someone changes out the reserve, the packing card stays with the H&C. It's not mandatory for the card and reserve panel to matchYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #65 May 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt always drives me nuts when I pack a PD reserve and the number of packjobs recorded on the packing data card doesn't match the number of checks on the TSO box. Those records should match. what if someone changes out the reserve, the packing card stays with the H&C. It's not mandatory for the card and reserve panel to match And that brings me to my personal pet peeve - people who insist that the data card goes with the container. Ever seen the old style data cards ? They list nothing but the reserve canopy info ! (pic attached) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #66 May 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt always drives me nuts when I pack a PD reserve and the number of packjobs recorded on the packing data card doesn't match the number of checks on the TSO box. Those records should match. what if someone changes out the reserve, the packing card stays with the H&C. It's not mandatory for the card and reserve panel to match And that brings me to my personal pet peeve - people who insist that the data card goes with the container. Ever seen the old style data cards ? They list nothing but the reserve canopy info ! (pic attached) the cards in my Rig come from the H&C mfg. those cards also record any work carried out on the TSO'd H&C, It's my understanding that the panel on the reserve is there for just such reasons, so that in the absence of a Card repack evidence and history is readily available.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #67 May 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIt always drives me nuts when I pack a PD reserve and the number of packjobs recorded on the packing data card doesn't match the number of checks on the TSO box. Those records should match. what if someone changes out the reserve, the packing card stays with the H&C. It's not mandatory for the card and reserve panel to match And that brings me to my personal pet peeve - people who insist that the data card goes with the container. Ever seen the old style data cards ? They list nothing but the reserve canopy info ! (pic attached) the cards in my Rig come from the H&C mfg. those cards also record any work carried out on the TSO'd H&C, It's my understanding that the panel on the reserve is there for just such reasons, so that in the absence of a Card repack evidence and history is readily available. The only reserves that I am aware of having a tail data label is the PDR and Optimum series from Performance Designs. There may be others, but the tail checkboxes are by not means an industry standard. By your logic, what happens when your data card is the generic type (the generic PIA design, which in my experience is very common), with no attribute to a particular manufacturer ? (example attached) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #68 May 21, 2012 Quote The only reserves that I am aware of having a tail data label is the PDR and Optimum series from Performance Designs. There may be others, but the tail checkboxes are by not means an industry standard. By your logic, what happens when your data card is the generic type (the generic PIA design, which in my experience is very common), with no attribute to a particular manufacturer ? (example attached) Sorry didnt know it was only PD with the check boxes. I made (an obviously incorrect) assumption. My logic might be flawed here, but given the fact that the rig is also TSO'd to me, it makes sense to maintain a log of work down on the H&C.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #69 May 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt always drives me nuts when I pack a PD reserve and the number of packjobs recorded on the packing data card doesn't match the number of checks on the TSO box. Those records should match. what if someone changes out the reserve, the packing card stays with the H&C. It's not mandatory for the card and reserve panel to match .................................................................. Traditionally, the packing data card went with the reserve canopy. This made sense back when containers wore out long before reserve canopies. It also made more sense before AADs had complex maintenance schedules and harness/containers had multiple Service Bulletins, Airworthiness Directives, Technical Bulletins, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #70 May 21, 2012 Quote it was a nylon thread which broke at around 10lbs... plus there wasn't even a seal of any kind and I am not commenting on the packjob which was clearly not anywhere close to any manual I have ever seen... fortunately, the rigger left all his contacts with the data cards. Will give him a call See now? THAT is integrity. Good stuff, 'fish!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #71 May 21, 2012 QuoteTraditionally, the packing data card went with the reserve canopy. This made sense back when containers wore out long before reserve canopies. It also made more sense before AADs had complex maintenance schedules and harness/containers had multiple Service Bulletins, Airworthiness Directives, Technical Bulletins, etc. Both cards show in the pics are titled, "Parachute Record Log". Neither of them say "H/C packing log". Let's stick with "tradition".My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 153 #72 May 21, 2012 (Directed in general, RR was just the last in the thread) I'd always been told that the card went with the reserve canopy. This was emphasised to me when I had a rig reharnessed (by RWS) and they sent a separate card marked (by hand) as the H&C maintanance log. Following the aircraft maintanence model, I can see a day when we will have 2 or 3 cards: - H&C - Canopy - AAD And it will be required that all prior cards be kept with the component to show its history (grandfathered in for items serviced prior to enforcement date...). I think PD (with some others in the PEP world) has also been in the lead to communicate to the community that this stuff does not last forever. Just my $.02, JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #73 May 21, 2012 the french have 4 separate cards -H/C -Reserve canopy -Main Canopy -AAD there is sometimes a cross reference (depending on who issues the cards) on the H/C card to state which components are insidescissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 153 #74 May 21, 2012 I know that many are going to argue that "its too hard" but frankly I think it is, in the long run, a good thing. For example - if the (1) card goes with the canopy, how do I know if an AD/SB was complied with on the harness container after the canopy has been swapped? Give me a separate card with that data and I don't have to re-run the required test... Not sure I care to worry about the main enough to have a card. HOWEVER, there is a push by some that there should be a way to quickly identify what main is in a particular container, along with its recommended limitations. I'm not sure this needs to be manditory on personally owned rigs (though a good idea), I do think it should be on student/rental gear. (My local DZO has had student/rental rigs embroadered with the size of the main to ensure its easily known.) JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #75 May 21, 2012 how hard ? honestly ? waw, it's just writing twice your data and dates etc (H/C and Reserve), more or less every 4 years on the AAD card, and almost never on the main. You just write down whenever you perform work on it. Like that there is a "better information" in case of resale of the gear. If you can't write, buy yourserlf a rubber stamp, or hire a secretary. scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
