sinker 0 #201 July 2, 2003 as much as I enjoy sparring w/ you two, it's time for my din-din... a nice juicy steak, can you believe it? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #202 July 2, 2003 QuoteOne of those principles being that it is wrong for a person to starve when they have food available. So cannabilism was justified for the Donner party? Flesh is flesh. Human or cow it has the same physical properties. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #203 July 2, 2003 Quotea nice juicy steak, can you believe it? Sounds good. Think I'll do the same Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #204 July 2, 2003 >this conversation will always be reduced to you saying truth is relative > and me saying that it isn't. I don't think it's demeaning to shoot > someone in the head. It may not be; many of our soldiers have recently shot Iraqis in the head. Rather than considering them "demeaned" we often consider them heroes. But in normal societies, some 'moral values' are important to the functioning of society - hence the laws against stealing, murder, drunk driving. These are 'external morals' if you will; they are enforced because the one thing you may never do (under our system of morals) is deprive someone else of _their_ right to life or freedom to do their own thing. "Internal morals" are a bit different. You think meaningless sex is wrong. That's fine; everyone has their own views on whether that's wrong or not. An Arab may hate Jews for what they are doing to his homeland, or an American may hate Arabs because of 9/11. Again, that's fine - as long as he doesn't act on his hatred. All these are very, very different from shooting someone in the head. Here in the US we believe pretty strongly that you have every right to your opinions, and hence a lot of them are expressed. Personally, I believe as you do, that sex isn't something you do at a party when you get some woman really drunk. I also believe in monogamy. I would not, however, presume to tell a polygynist that his relationship is wrong, especially if his religion, society or even personal beliefs allow it. That value decision is up to him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #205 July 2, 2003 Quoteno, they would both be wrong. it is never right to intentionally do something to kill yourself or someone else. who knows... someone may come and save them from their captors. the captors may have a change of heart (humans have thoses, you know). any number of possibilities exist. true, they will likely die at the hands of their captors. that doesn't make suicide and murder acceptable. well, to you maybe. or you may take the "moral high ground" as exposed by your culture and spend the next 20 years being raped and tortured and wish you have followed your intution and shot your self after your buddy did... live or die is a personal decision, and there are far to many variables to make blanket statements like "its always wrong or always right"____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #206 July 3, 2003 If you're a fan of Howard Stern, then I ask how you can enjoy laughing it up at the expense of his targets. Good Example: His jokes about the Columbine shooters a few years ago. Very funny stuff, as long as you aren't very sensitive to the feelings of murder and major trauma victims, or maybe if you live in Columbine, CO. I believe Stern's ONLY talent is his unabashedness at being an insensitive shitbag, and I also believe his success speaks volumes about the direction our world is heading. Irreverance is healthy, but total insensitivity is not. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #207 July 3, 2003 nice post! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #208 July 3, 2003 Howard rocks . He is the only talk radio that I listen to . All other talk show are boring and suck major ass compared to Howard . I would love to go on his show and throw bologna slices at a chics ass smeared with mayo . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 8 #209 July 3, 2003 I simply don't have the Patience to sit through one of his shows.... If you've seen seen one, you've seen them all.=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #210 July 3, 2003 QuoteI've been arguing that their are values/principles/morals etc. that are universal and govern all persons. One of those principles being that it is wrong for a person to starve when they have food available. Many Hindus believe that it is morally wrong to kill an animal - any animal; not just a cow - even to eat it, and therefore espouse vegetarianism as a moral imperative.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #211 July 3, 2003 QuoteGood Example: His jokes about the Columbine shooters a few years ago. Very funny stuff, as long as you aren't very sensitive to the feelings of murder and major trauma victims, or maybe if you live in Columbine, CO. What jokes were those? I remember him commenting that he couldn't understand why someone would indiscriminately kill a bunch of people for no understandable reason. He said that he could understand (not condone) why some screwed up kids would use guns to get something out of it, like sex, but not why they would just kill people with no motive. Then the press said he was making jokes about it and everyone believed the press. Can you relate what the jokes were that he made about it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base704 0 #212 July 3, 2003 Let's see, how about: affected, bloated, boastful, bombastic, conceited, egotistic, flatulent, flaunting, flowery, fustian, grandiloquent, grandiose, high-flown, highfalutin, hoity-toity, imperious, important, inflated, magisterial, magniloquent, narcissistic, orotund, ostentatious, overbearing, overblown, pontifical, portentous, presumptuous, pretentious, puffed up, puffy, rhetorical, self-centered, self-important, selfish, showy, sonorous, stuck-up, supercilious, turgid, uppity, vain, and vainglorious.You can get a lot more done with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #213 July 3, 2003 wow! I'm sexually aroused! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #214 July 3, 2003 QuoteWhat jokes were those? I would look them up word-for-word, but I have to go to the widget factory now to make more widgets. Basically Stern made jokes about how Dylan and Clebold messed up by not screwing the girls they shot before they shot them. The jokes were a big deal around Littleton/Denver, and ultimately cost Stern that market. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #215 July 3, 2003 do you honestly NOT believe that someone like Howard Stern WOULDN'T make such tasteless jokes on the air? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #216 July 3, 2003 man.. how many negatives is that!?! Sounds like a Quebec Referendum question! lmaoRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #217 July 3, 2003 Quotenice post! Thanks! You write a lot of very thoughtful stuff yourself! . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #218 July 3, 2003 oh man, that was terrible!!! sorry... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genn 0 #219 July 3, 2003 Just poking my head in to say: I LOVE HOWARD STERN! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #220 July 3, 2003 Hey! You keep it up and I won't buy you any drinks next week! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genn 0 #221 July 3, 2003 QuoteHey! You keep it up and I won't buy you any drinks next week! ...Ok, I'm done.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #222 July 3, 2003 Quotedo you honestly NOT believe that someone like Howard Stern WOULDN'T make such tasteless jokes on the air? Yes..um...no...um...what? Stern does make jokes about tragedy that could be considered tasteless. But he's not the only one. Lots of people make jokes when confronted with disturbing circumstances as a way to ease the tension. Have you ever been to a funeral or wake where everyone is morose and then someone makes a joke about the deceased that cheers everyone up? Laughing at tragedy is one way of coping. After 9/11 when David Letterman, et al had to leave the city for a month, Stern stayed on the air, even while the buildings were collapsing. He never even considered abandoning his city or his listeners. Countless people even his detractors, called to thank him for keeping their minds occupied during an incomprehensible tragedy. Yes, his humor isn't for everyone. But I don't think he's generally an evil or uncaring person. Think about it, spending 5 hours a day talking and trying to remain entertaining at the same time. Making wise cracks and having a sarcastic, biting sense of humor. You're bound to screw up and cross a couple of lines that you don't mean to in an effort to keep talkind and keep entertaining. I'm sure if it was a scripted show with every line written in advance, he never would have made the comment about Columbine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #223 July 3, 2003 that's more like it... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #224 July 3, 2003 QuoteYes..um...no...um...what? I even twisted my own feeble brain re-reading my fucked up question of quadruple-zillion negatives. yeah, I agree w/ you on bringing humor into tragedy to help cope. but I just think he crosses the line TOO often. ah well. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casie 0 #225 July 3, 2003 QuoteHey! You keep it up and I won't buy you any drinks next week! I could use a drink right about now~Porn Kitty WARNING: Goldschlager causes extreme emotional outbursts! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
