James525 0 #1 October 1, 2011 [Did a search, but everything I found was old and full of broken links] Does anyone know a good step-by-step guide for flat-packing? I've had a couple of packing lessons and mostly know what I'm doing but now I have my own rig I want to practice at home and could use a reference. Cheers.My skydiving - http://unstable-exits.blogspot.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #2 October 1, 2011 I can't help with the guide, but I am very interested in knowing why you want to be flat-packing ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James525 0 #3 October 1, 2011 Because that's how I was taught, and I want to stick with what I know for now. Once I understand the concepts better I'll move on.My skydiving - http://unstable-exits.blogspot.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NovaTTT 2 #4 October 1, 2011 I don't know if this link will work (it's to a FaceBook account) but I loaded the file here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Novas-Parachute-Rigging/144904642247407?v=app_112190812172796"Even in a world where perfection is unattainable, there's still a difference between excellence and mediocrity." Gary73 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 41 #5 October 1, 2011 Timing is everything. Just received this one from a friend (Andrew Donald) for the newbies at our DZ. The PDF file is bigger than what is allowed as an attachment here, so here is a link to it on my Skydrive https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=7f477c0b90a3e835&sc=documents&uc=1&id=7F477C0B90A3E835%21110#"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ufk22 33 #6 October 1, 2011 QuoteBecause that's how I was taught, and I want to stick with what I know for now. Once I understand the concepts better I'll move on. CONGRATULATIONS That it one of the smartest comments from any skydiver (especially someone with your jump numbers) posted on this forum.This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 October 2, 2011 QuoteI am very interested in knowing why you want to be flat-packing ? Is there something wrong with flat-packing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #8 October 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteI am very interested in knowing why you want to be flat-packing ? Is there something wrong with flat-packing? I flat/factory packed for 30 years before finally getting a ZP canopy. When I tried packing it that way, it was a total mess, nothing would stay in place at all. I'm sure there are ways to make it work, but it seems like a lot of work for no benefit.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tatetatetate 0 #9 October 2, 2011 Consistency is V useful! When taught to pack I was shown the Propack method.... which I can do fine, but only with F111 canopies. With ZP it is an absolute mess as it flares up and I lose control of the thing. So with ZP I psychopack. Unfortunately many UK DZs need you to flatpack to be able to get a packing cert... Which puts me in an odd situation because although I can pack and have jumped many of my pack jobs, nobody'll sign me off or endorse my log book because you've got to do it in a certain way.... THEIR way.... hell even the individual methods vary. One DZ demands you count out the A lines then the B lines then the C lines. While another one is fine with just flaking them out a whole bunch at a time. Even who is watching you! I used to do the second fold first then stuff the slider end into the bag, but nope that wasn't allowed anymore.... So for the time being I'm just paying packers to do it instead. But thats what I get for being completely disloyal and not jumping at one DZ. But hey I'm an outsider. Meh I'm really starting to hate skydiving in the UK.... my trip to France (two DZs) was absolutely great. UK DZs not so much.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James525 0 #10 October 2, 2011 Quote Quote Because that's how I was taught, and I want to stick with what I know for now. Once I understand the concepts better I'll move on. CONGRATULATIONS That it one of the smartest comments from any skydiver (especially someone with your jump numbers) posted on this forum. Cheers mate, now I'm off to try and swoop my 96 sqft canopy after pulling @ 1000' from a wingsuit jump. I'll be sure to post the gopro footage. @NovaTTT and IanHarrop, I've only had a quick read of both guides but they look brilliant, exactly what I was looking for.My skydiving - http://unstable-exits.blogspot.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ronaldo 0 #11 October 2, 2011 If you still have a VCR you may buy this video http://www.amazon.com/Pack-Your-Parachute-Like-Pro/dp/B001GQOO54 It contains good instructions on flat packing (or side packing as it is called on the video) This one could be a better value pack for you http://www.chutingstar.com/newgear_en/skydiving-survival-series-dvd.htmlEngineering Law #5: The most vital dimension on any plan drawing stands the most chance of being omitted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #12 October 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteI am very interested in knowing why you want to be flat-packing ? Is there something wrong with flat-packing? - "My favorite color is blue" JR - "what do you have against yellow ?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerolim 7 #13 October 3, 2011 http://eiff.com/manuals/PACKING.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 October 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI am very interested in knowing why you want to be flat-packing ? Is there something wrong with flat-packing? - "My favorite color is blue" JR - "what do you have against yellow ?" You didn't answer the question - why are you interested in why someone chooses to flat pack? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #15 October 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI am very interested in knowing why you want to be flat-packing ? Is there something wrong with flat-packing? - "My favorite color is blue" JR - "what do you have against yellow ?" You didn't answer the question - why are you interested in why someone chooses to flat pack? actually, you asked me if there's something wrong with flat packing. so here's my answer to that one : Nothing wrong with it. many people still use it. I personally use a combination of a flat prostack when I do my reserves and BASE canopies. As far as your second question - It's very uncommon for new jumpers of today (in the US) to know what flat packing is, or to learn how. So that's why I asked. PS Than you for the PM, and congrats on acting 1/3 your age for blocking me from replying. EDIT: posting content from PMs/e-mails in the open forums is not acceptable. If you are having issues with a user via PMs that you feel has gotten out of control please notify one of the MODS and we look into it. John Rich, I do not know why you would send a PM like the one I just removed but I will tell you this one time, choose what you write in your posts and PMs on this entire forum wisely in the future as you have gained the attention of the MOD staff with your posting behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #16 October 3, 2011 QuoteI do not know why you would send a PM like the one I just removed but I will tell you this one time, choose what you write in your posts and PMs on this entire forum wisely in the future as you have gained the attention of the MOD staff with your posting behavior. Ohhhh, I'm scared! Private messages are private - the moderators have no business enforcing anything with them. If you don't like 'em, don't read 'em, block the users from whom you don't want to receive 'em. If you don't want private nasty-grams, don't make public nasty-grams. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #17 October 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteI do not know why you would send a PM like the one I just removed but I will tell you this one time, choose what you write in your posts and PMs on this entire forum wisely in the future as you have gained the attention of the MOD staff with your posting behavior. Ohhhh, I'm scared! Private messages are private - the moderators have no business enforcing anything with them. If you don't like 'em, don't read 'em, block the users from whom you don't want to receive 'em. If you don't want private nasty-grams, don't make public nasty-grams. Look at the post footer. It was edited by LouDiamond, and everything written after the EDIT part (basically what you quoted) is written by him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWPoul 1 #18 October 4, 2011 IMHO the flatpack is slightly wrong way (ok, not wrong, but weird) for modern ZP canopy... espetially it is weird to start learn for If only silly DZ rullez (as was mentioned here) doesn't force this metodWhy drink and drive, if you can smoke and fly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcord4 0 #19 October 4, 2011 I flat pack everything to this day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mothra 0 #20 October 4, 2011 QuoteIMHO the flatpack is slightly wrong way (ok, not wrong, but weird) for modern ZP canopy... Why? I'm told that back in the old days when flat-packing was the norm, that pro-packing was considered weird. Maybe it's just a matter of what you're used to, that neither method is weird, and just because one is not used to a certain technique, is not a good justification to call it weird. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWPoul 1 #21 October 6, 2011 Quote I flat pack everything to this day. It's quite OK, you may continue doing it wrongthis way it's not the most weird thing in this worldWhy drink and drive, if you can smoke and fly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #22 October 12, 2011 Quote I flat pack everything to this day. Space hog! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcord4 0 #23 October 16, 2011 I am obsessive/compulsive about packing my rigs. If I could iron out the wrinkles, I would. 2700 + jumps - no mals. How are you doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #24 October 16, 2011 QuoteIMHO the flatpack is slightly wrong way (ok, not wrong, but weird) for modern ZP canopy... espetially it is weird to start learn for If only silly DZ rullez (as was mentioned here) doesn't force this metod Often the only way you know is not the only way to do thing. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWPoul 1 #25 October 16, 2011 QuoteOften the only way you know is not the only way to do thing. SparkyOk, Ok... for most modern ZP canopies?)) And I do know this way)Why drink and drive, if you can smoke and fly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
