Southern_Man 0 #1 July 20, 2011 Saw this one USPA website: http://unitedparachutetechnologies.com/PDF/Support/Sport/ALTERNATIVE_MAIN_CONTAINER_CLOSING_TIP_INSTRUCT-027_Rev-0.pdf Don't know if this is a method some people were already using, if people had thoughts on its pluses and minuses, etc."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #2 July 20, 2011 And, if it is a good method for UPT is it also a good method for other containers?"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #3 July 20, 2011 That's the same bridle routing the Racer has been using for years. Oddly enough, the Racer with it's lack of stiffeners is probably the least likely rig to container lock in any way, but they're the ones using this bridle routing from the start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 5 #4 July 20, 2011 Just make sure you let people know if they're going to give you a gear check... Lots of funny looks and worried skydivers if they don't know there's more than one way to skin the cat!"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #5 July 20, 2011 Same method as Parachutes de France recommends on at least some of the rigs they offer. I've heard it referred to as a 'french tickler.' This is how my rig is packed. My rigs have no Velcro for the bridle loop. It -does- have possibility (if too much loop is left, and above the pin) to loop around the closing pin. Pack your rig this way; it becomes immediately apparent. It's like any other pack job; if you do this/that might happen... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #6 July 20, 2011 That routing is often used for wingsuit rigs. With the angle of the PC when it comes out during deployment is more towards the feet than straight up, having the bridle looped under the closing flap towards the BOC makes pin extraction a bit easier. Less chance of the bridle getting stuck over the top of the flap.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jurgencamps 0 #7 July 20, 2011 QuoteSame method as Parachutes de France recommends on at least some of the rigs they offer. I've heard it referred to as a 'french tickler.' And the same way you route the drougue on a vector 2 tandem and Next tandem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #8 July 20, 2011 Quote And, if it is a good method for UPT is it also a good method for other containers? I would not do it unless, my manufacturer recommends it. Go ahead, you can be a test jumper....Why to fix something is not broken? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #9 July 20, 2011 Quote Quote And, if it is a good method for UPT is it also a good method for other containers? I would not do it unless, my manufacturer recommends it. Go ahead, you can be a test jumper....Why to fix something is not broken? Why re-write a manual if it's close enough, is the only reason it would not be considered recommended. It's fine. It's a good method for any rig where the bridle will fit under the side flap. It's been tested for years and years already. I used to pack mine that way until I switched to pull-out.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickanderson 0 #10 July 20, 2011 QuoteJust make sure you let people know if they're going to give you a gear check... Lots of funny looks and worried skydivers if they don't know there's more than one way to skin the cat! yeah, the first time i saw that on a racer i freaked out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NealFitz 0 #11 July 20, 2011 similar to the racer the TSE teardrop classic is also closed in this way. i owned one for 2 years and this is how it was closedDudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #12 July 20, 2011 Is that an over-stuffed rig or what? My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klafollette 0 #13 July 28, 2011 Only thing I don't like about this method is that the pilot chute kill line window is not visible, at least not with my UPT pilot chute. You have to pull a little bridle out and flip around to see the window which is now inside the fold. Not so important when I pack myself, since I check it during the packing process, but if using a packer, I always like to check it, even if I cock the pilot chute myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 5 #14 July 28, 2011 Quote Is that an over-stuffed rig or what? Nope, the side flap grommets shouldn't overlap. Believe it or not, if they do, the main pin flap wont fully close and will stick up. "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #15 July 28, 2011 QuoteOnly thing I don't like about this method is that the pilot chute kill line window is not visible, at least not with my UPT pilot chute. You have to pull a little bridle out and flip around to see the window which is now inside the fold. Not so important when I pack myself, since I check it during the packing process, but if using a packer, I always like to check it, even if I cock the pilot chute myself. This is a good point, I check mine several times and have other people check it even when I am sure. I don't use packers and am very diligent about double checking. I have a Wings, so I don't know if I am going to use this method or not, I am going to look at it and talk about it w/ some riggers, though. The pin through bridle lock seems rare."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Divalent 123 #16 July 28, 2011 Could someone please describe what "a pin lock to the bridle" is, and how one might get one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #17 July 28, 2011 the pin kinda pushes on the bridle in such a way that it is locking it. some bridles have even been pierced that way..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crohnie 0 #18 July 28, 2011 I could be wrong, but isn't it when the pin pierces the bridle and gets "locked" in place? Edit: beat me to it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #19 July 28, 2011 Here are a couple of threads with some pictures attached in them: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2360306;search_string=pin%20bridle;#2360306 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1662858"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klafollette 0 #20 July 28, 2011 Proper Vector closing loop length is indicated by the binding tape on the edge of the side flaps stacking on top of each other. the grommets should not be stacked. http://www.unitedparachutetechnologies.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #21 July 28, 2011 When the curved pin was first invented all rig closed with the bridle coming out the bottom. It is more direct with less chance of problems. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #22 July 29, 2011 Don't know who came out with smily face myth, but smily face doesn't do anything, what is important is that tip of the closing pin should clear the bridal. Pull the bridal from the bottom and you'll see that the pin will swing up and around, if the curved pin's tip catches on to the bridal it may lock it in place.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psychonaut 0 #23 August 8, 2011 QuoteDon't know who came out with smily face myth, but smily face doesn't do anything, what is important is that tip of the closing pin should clear the bridal. Pull the bridal from the bottom and you'll see that the pin will swing up and around, if the curved pin's tip catches on to the bridal it may lock it in place. Sure it does. If you put the pin in a 'frown' face, think about everything you lean up against with your rig on. The plane, the persons lap or leg behind you, etc. If it's facing down it's easier for it to be popped out than the 'smiley' face as the pressure would simply push up on it but not out with that orientation.Stay high pull low Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #24 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteDon't know who came out with smily face myth, but smily face doesn't do anything, what is important is that tip of the closing pin should clear the bridal. Pull the bridal from the bottom and you'll see that the pin will swing up and around, if the curved pin's tip catches on to the bridal it may lock it in place. Sure it does. If you put the pin in a 'frown' face, think about everything you lean up against with your rig on. The plane, the persons lap or leg behind you, etc. If it's facing down it's easier for it to be popped out than the 'smiley' face as the pressure would simply push up on it but not out with that orientation. On the other hand, if you lean hard and make the pack job more loose because of that, the smiley face pin may just fall out due to gravity, while the 'frown' face pin would not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 137 #25 August 10, 2011 could anyone post pics of what you call smilyface and frownface ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
