DJL 232 #26 August 22, 2003 NO, DAMMIT, NEW ENGLAND FIRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #27 August 22, 2003 QuoteI think you can hit it any speed, aslong as you dont hit it flat. 60mph is a "concrete" figure I think Ive heard. Just make sure you hit it headdown or very pointed feet first Not sure about this... I jumped off of bridges (NOT BASE, just fun jumping in a bathing suit) when I was younger, did a 75 ft one feet first, used physics and calculus to figure 45mph impact speed (probably was slower due to drag). I was perfectly vertical, but did not have my toes pointed. My feet hurt very bad (nothing internal, just got slapped real hard), my arms were out from my sides just slightly and the water tore at my armpits so hard that my shoulders hurt for days (next time I did the jump I held my hands on my thighs prior to impact), and worst of all I got SODOMIZED by the water. I'm not kidding. And that is all at 45mph. Impact energy is proportional to the square of speed, so if you somehow hit the water in a stand-up position at 120 mph (which would mean you had to fly belly to the water until the last second where you transition to a stand), you'd probably hit with 9 times the energy I did. I guess you could live, maybe...www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #28 August 22, 2003 Who was it here who wrote the song, "Tracking to the Pond?" My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcrocker 0 #29 August 22, 2003 I always thought the standard procedure for a double mal was to track into your rigger... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aero04 0 #30 August 22, 2003 QuoteI wouldnt aim at anything... I'd keep pulling handles till impact (or hopefully that $1000 gizmo saves my french canadian bacon)... Bwhahahaha!!! I love that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #31 August 22, 2003 QuoteI think you can hit it any speed, aslong as you dont hit it flat. 60mph is a "concrete" figure I think Ive heard. Just make sure you hit it headdown... Yeah so that they can collect ALL your mortal remains by simply picking up your helmet I'd track for a hey bail... 'cause that's what i do in my bouncing dreams My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ikke 0 #32 August 22, 2003 There was a Cypres save just like that quite a while ago...CRW wrap. http://www.cypres-usa.com/saves05b.pdf For some reason (reserve handle tucked under harness maybe?) the lower guy thinks his reserve is part of the shit wrapped round the upper guy and screams at him not to cut him free. Not hearing, or ignoring the plaintive wails, the upper guy starts hacking away at the lines and canopy around him. So, our hero, back in freefall and thinking he's now without main and reserve, starts tracking for a lake... I wonder if he'd have made it, and what he did when he caught up with the other guy Cheers John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #33 August 22, 2003 In my bouncing dreams I land on the bench next to manifest and someone hands me a bowl of ice cream. Gotta stick with what works."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #34 August 22, 2003 Don't they give people training any more? It is not the impact that kills you. The impact merely breaks your bones. When you bounce, the pointy ends of the bones tear into you. The key thing is not to bounce. Therefore, aim for a spot with long grass, pasture-like. Then, right as you hit, grab the grass. This will keep you from bouncing and save your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #35 August 22, 2003 Try to fall on the most expensive car in the parking lotThe older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydv 0 #36 August 22, 2003 [It is not the impact that kills you. The impact merely breaks your bones. When you bounce, the pointy ends of the bones tear into you. The key thing is not to bounce. Therefore, aim for a spot with long grass, pasture-like. Then, right as you hit, grab the grass. This will keep you from bouncing and save your life. ] ARe you serious? Grab the grass? I think you're joking.... right? How would you be able to grab the grass as you're smashing into the ground? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #37 August 22, 2003 i would max track into trees and flare at a little above tree height (flare with my body that is). Thats all theoretical though cause in reality I would be working with my reserve parachute hoping to get it to work (or tearing at my back trying to get something out in the case of a reserve total). Never give up --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #38 August 22, 2003 QuoteRe: [happythoughts] When I am going to bounce [In reply to] Quote | Reply [It is not the impact that kills you. The impact merely breaks your bones. When you bounce, the pointy ends of the bones tear into you. The key thing is not to bounce. Therefore, aim for a spot with long grass, pasture-like. Then, right as you hit, grab the grass. This will keep you from bouncing and save your life. ] ARe you serious? Grab the grass? I think you're joking.... right? How would you be able to grab the grass as you're smashing into the ground? As odd as this sounds, he's absolutely right. What really kills you is the tertiary impact your brain and organs have up reacceleration in the opposite direction. Instead of everything being naturally compressed and supported, they tear because they'll pulled in the opposite direction. They used to say that the best idea was to put your arms straight in front of you so that they go into the ground and keep you there. This was called the lawndart method. It's now widely accepted that you have just as much chance of your arms breaking off at the shoulders and staying stuck in the ground, thus ending your skydiving career."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #39 August 22, 2003 track like a bad ass.... was just listening to NPR yesterday talk about the one frame of "falling guy" from WTC that looked 'serene' in a HD position.. you can bet if i jumped i'd be trackingfor a low window on a nearby building...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #40 August 22, 2003 QuoteIn my bouncing dreams I land on the bench next to manifest and someone hands me a bowl of ice cream. Gotta stick with what works. Sounds like a plan and a half!!! I never get ice cream! In mine (and I never had this dream until my buddy told me about his), I track for a hay bail and plow straight through it, a couple somersaults later, I'm sitting up covered in hay and grass. I think everyones BEST bet is to hit a swamp or marsh area. You should hope to have a support group to dig you out afterwards. I've heard of WWII paratroopers bodies found 8-15 feet deep in marsh, intact.... drown My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #41 August 22, 2003 QuoteARe you serious? Grab the grass? I think you're joking.... right? How would you be able to grab the grass as you're smashing into the ground? I am absolutely joking. A lot of the time actually. That is why I put the little after it, so that people could be sure. If I say something serious, you'll know it. It is rare, but it happens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #42 August 22, 2003 QuoteThey used to say that the best idea was to put your arms straight in front of you so that they go into the ground and keep you there. This was called the lawndart method. This is where the name for the Javelin container came from. Why else would you name a skydiving rig after something that flies through the air and sticks in the ground? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sburkart 0 #43 August 22, 2003 Quote...and worst of all I got SODOMIZED by the water. I'm not kidding. Yeah maybe not, but I am still LMFAO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #44 August 22, 2003 Has anyone ever lived through a double mal? What's the most astonishing skydiving story you've heard, where the person did end up living? -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #45 August 23, 2003 If I ever get a double mal, I'm aiming for the rigger's car! but seriously, I probably wouldn't be even looking at the ground, but instead be trying to pull the bag out by hand or something. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #46 August 23, 2003 I would think trees would give you more of a chance than anything else......couple them with a steep slope and you may have a chance. RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #47 August 23, 2003 I'd keep pulling handles and clawing at my rig until something worked. It worked for Rick Duran, who says it won't work for me if it ever happens. Otherwise, I'm going for my rigger's truck.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #48 August 23, 2003 Otherwise, I'm going for my rigger's truck. hmmmmmm, an excellent idea........can I change my vote?? RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BethUK 0 #49 August 24, 2003 I hit a flag pole on an early jump, turned out wind changed direction at last minute, but wasnt too painful...didnt hit it really, just ended up with me and half the parachute one site, and the half the other side! Fun fun fun!------------------------------------------------------------ "This isn't flying...it's falling with style!" Buzz Lightyear - Toystory 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bclark 0 #50 August 25, 2003 Trackin right for my DZO's car.... either that or the PULL sign on top of the hangar at our old DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
