Nelyubin 0 #1 May 13, 2011 Russia, Moscow, DZ Birky 26.02.2011 in a hangar on the ground, tripped Cypres-2 # 37780 DOM: 09.2007 The manufacturer's site there is no any reaction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 136 #2 May 13, 2011 do you mean that airtec was contacted and that they didn't answer ? interesting case. Do you have any idea of what could have caused the Cypres fire ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dqpacker 7 #4 May 13, 2011 you sure it wasn't some shitty commie ripoff cypres2? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nukrites 0 #5 May 13, 2011 Lets ban Cypress !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #6 May 13, 2011 Quoteyou sure it wasn't some shitty commie ripoff cypres2? No, he didn't say Argus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #7 May 13, 2011 QuoteLets ban Cypress !!! Sure, but i think the trees are doing us good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ufk22 32 #8 May 13, 2011 Was the unit sent in for inspection????This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skybear 0 #9 May 13, 2011 QuoteRussia, Moscow, DZ Birky 26.02.2011 in a hangar on the ground, tripped Cypres-2 # 37780 DOM: 09.2007 The manufacturer's site there is no any reaction. I can hardly imagine no reaction from Airtec. Contact Jupp Veltmann, [email protected] , he will help you for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nelyubin 0 #10 May 13, 2011 Yes. Received a very strange answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerpaul 1 #11 May 13, 2011 QuoteYes. Received a very strange answer. So, you sent them a device with a cutter that had been fired, and they say the device did not record it. Is that correct? Did you personally see that the cutter had fired? Or are you only reporting what you have been told by some other person? Did anyone see it fire? Did anyone hear it fire? Are you the owner? Are you a rigger? (I am just interested to have some background information. As you say, the story is very strange so far.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JCulver 0 #12 May 13, 2011 According to the response from Airtec, the unit was activated at jump 183, but they didn't receive the unit until after jump 343. Is it possible that the cutter didn't completely sever the reserve closing loop? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerpaul 1 #13 May 13, 2011 QuoteAccording to the response from Airtec, the unit was activated at jump 183, but they didn't receive the unit until after jump 343. Is it possible that the cutter didn't completely sever the reserve closing loop? I was figuring that it had a "normal" activation back at jump 183. It seems unlikely to me that it went 160 jumps with a partly severed loop. But, you are right, I should have asked the OP for clarification on that too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 26 #14 May 14, 2011 QuoteIt seems unlikely to me that it went 160 jumps with a partly severed loop. Especially considering the display would show it and no complete it's activation sequence on the next power cycle...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerpaul 1 #15 May 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteIt seems unlikely to me that it went 160 jumps with a partly severed loop. Especially considering the display would show it and no complete it's activation sequence on the next power cycle... Of course! What was I thinking?!? (I was a bit stunned by the concept. I should have thought some more before responding. Thanks for your post!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 98 #16 May 14, 2011 Do you know for sure the closing loop was not in one piece? Is it possible that the closing loop was cut by some means other than the cypres cutter? Was it confirmed that the cypres cutter had activated (that is a visual check, right)? Was the cutter returned to Airtek? Normally these questions don't come up, but when the unit itself doesn't show the activation we can't help but wonder.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #17 May 14, 2011 Quote you sure it wasn't some shitty commie ripoff cypres2? Your remark was uncalled for. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pasha_justas 0 #18 May 14, 2011 Airtec answer was posted to Ukrainian web resource. You can read more details here: http://www.skycentre.net/index.php?s=&showtopic=10801&view=findpost&p=207079 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #19 May 14, 2011 QuoteAccording to the response from Airtec, the unit was activated at jump 183, but they didn't receive the unit until after jump 343. Is it possible that the cutter didn't completely sever the reserve closing loop? 'If' it was the case that the unit had fired at jump 183 ... What would be the indications on the control unit every time that it was switched on after that (i.e from jump 183 - 343)? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pasha_justas 0 #20 May 14, 2011 Quote 'If' it was the case that the unit had fired at jump 183 ... What would be the indications on the control unit every time that it was switched on after that (i.e from jump 183 - 343)? Error code 1111 or 2222 according to Cypres-2 manual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #21 May 14, 2011 QuoteQuote 'If' it was the case that the unit had fired at jump 183 ... What would be the indications on the control unit every time that it was switched on after that (i.e from jump 183 - 343)? Error code 1111 or 2222 according to Cypres-2 manual. Cheers mate. So that 'probably' wouldn't have gone un-noticed? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pasha_justas 0 #22 May 14, 2011 Quote So that 'probably' wouldn't have gone un-noticed? Exactly. It is very strange incident. When Vigil-I misfired on the ground in 2006, manufacturer honestly made statement about registering of cutter activation conditions in the AAD memory. http://www.vigil.aero/files/VigilStatementAUG06_000.pdf For now they replace units with old softwar version with new one at a charge. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4112995;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread Cypres-2 incident in Russia looks like sad mistery unlike Vigil-I misfiring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #23 May 14, 2011 QuoteDo you know for sure the closing loop was not in one piece? Is it possible that the closing loop was cut by some means other than the cypres cutter? Was it confirmed that the cypres cutter had activated (that is a visual check, right)? Was the cutter returned to Airtek? Normally these questions don't come up, but when the unit itself doesn't show the activation we can't help but wonder. I had a bad grommet on one of my reserve flaps that was gradually sawing through the reserve closing loop. It never got to the point where it broke, but it could have."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nelyubin 0 #24 May 14, 2011 Everything has been inspected and verified. The conclusion is straightforward, the device worked. Cypres cutter was activated. The cypres was sent to the Airtec in complete set. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dqpacker 7 #25 May 14, 2011 Quote Quote you sure it wasn't some shitty commie ripoff cypres2? Your remark was uncalled for. Sparky why? are you a commie? they rip off other skydiving gear. why not rip off cypres? do you even jump anymore old man? or do you just sit and post bs from your rocking chair. peace out i'm on a call Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
