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We currently have 6 stickies containing info on individual manufacturers that are now banning the Argus. I thought it might be time to tidy them up. Here is the current list (as best as I can tell) UPDATED: 24 JUNE 2011





Avicom's statement to PIA (31MAR2011) http://www.pia.com/TechnicalArgusDocuments/PIATechcomDocs/Parachute%20Industry%20Association31Mar11.pdf

Airtec Statement on loops:
http://www.pia.com/TechnicalArgusDocuments/OtherDocuments/Rigging-notice_20110421_eng.pdf
Airtec Cutter info:
http://www.pia.com/TechnicalArgusDocuments/OtherDocuments/CYPRES_cutter_loop-032011.pdf

Vigil Cutter specs:
http://www.pia.com/TechnicalArgusDocuments/OtherDocuments/CutterSpecsVigil.pdf

Avicom - Understanding cutters
http://www.pia.com/TechnicalArgusDocuments/AviacomTechData/UnderstandingCUTTERS.PDF
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BASIK HAS NOT BANNED THE ARGUS YET. THIS SB IS FROM 2006.
Jérôme Bunker
Basik Air Concept
www.basik.fr
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Luc-France/BASIK-AIR-CONCEPT/172133350468

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BASIK HAS NOT BANNED THE ARGUS YET. THIS SB IS FROM 2006.

Jerôme, could you also for clarity give us the date this SB has been revoked ?



9th of May 2007.
Jérôme Bunker
Basik Air Concept
www.basik.fr
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Luc-France/BASIK-AIR-CONCEPT/172133350468

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>Apparently Sunrise is not banning Argus for Wings containers.

That makes sense; the location of the cutter in the Wings container will not result in a locked container if the cutter fires but does not cut the loop. (True of Javelins as well.) However, it does not protect against a partially severed loop that breaks later during handling of the rig, so it's still important to inspect the AAD to see if that has happened.

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I thought of something today, what if it only severs the outer portion of the closing loop, allowing the finger trap to shift and encase the pin...

It SHOULDN'T effect it, but that's adding quit a bit of contact area to the pin.
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Hi ski,

Re: The ban for the Dolphin by Altico, I have just received a

CANCELLATION OF SERVICE BULLETIN #ASB 032411

from Altico.

It says in part:

"After further consideration, and review of additional information, Altico has reached the conclusion tht because of the location of the cutter on the Dolphin, it would not be possible for that scenario to occur on a Dolphin."

JerryBaumchen

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In my opinion Basik's message concerning AAD's is the best. It is not up to rig manufacturers to approve or not an AAD. If one is installed it should be done according to the manual.
scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

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Who's manual? the AAD's or the Rigs?

If a Rig manufacturer says that the AAD states it has to be in "X" location and the Rig says that is not feasible, then I would suggest the Rig's manual is the one to win out.

Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Strong Enterprises Quasar II



Where do you see that? According to the SB posted higher up in the thread:

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Identification:
Dual Hawk Tandem System P/N 103000 through 103005. We do not approve the Argus AAD’s to be used in any of Strong Enterprises solo skydiving systems



Emphasis added by me. I see that as saying that NO strong solo or Dual Hawk (PN 103000-103005) are authorized Argus installs.
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Ah, good catch, I didn't read that far into that particular SB.

Lets see, so the Manufacturers that are still approving the Argus are....


    Rigs that still allow Argus
  • Jumpshack Racer
  • Sunrise Manufacturing Wings
  • Altico Dolphin

=========Shaun ==========


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Wouldn't Reflex & Eclipse be on the list, since they have not banned it ?



Hmmm, I didn't know how to consider Reflex and Eclipse, since the TSO's are intact but the companies are no more.


    Rigs that still allow Argus
  • Jumpshack Racer
  • Strong Enterprises Quasar II
  • Sunrise Manufacturing Wings
  • Altico Dolphin
  • Flightline Reflex
  • Eclipse

=========Shaun ==========


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