Psycho Pro pack hybrid

[shah269 0]

I'm sorry I am at work and can't access youtube to post the video. But late last night I saw a video where some guy was packing via some sort of psycho / pro pack hybrid.
It was really funky but looked rather efficient.
As I recall, he counted out the cells, quartered and flaked as usual brought in the center cell over the top as you would do on a usual pro pack and gave it a few little twists and then turned the thing on it's back and went into the psycho pack of folding and rolling after he pulled the bridle out and to the left.

It was rather interesting and looked to be a very efficient method of keeping controll over the material.

Did i see something odd or was the video incorrectly shot? What does the step in which in the psycho pack where you roll half of the material around the lines on each side do?

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[theonlyski 3]

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Did i see something odd or was the video incorrectly shot? What does the step in which in the psycho pack where you roll half of the material around the lines on each side do?

Are you talking about while its still over the shoulder?

I would assume its just to keep the lines on the tail from rolling over infront of the nose...


That does not sound like a psycho hybrid, thats just a psycho pack

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[shah269 0]

Again I'm sorry I'm at work so no porn or youtube.
But he had it on his shoulder, flaked both sides, pulled up the center around the lines. Gave it a few twists, but only on top, and then layed it on the ground with the twist up and not down. So he put a half line twist in.
Then pulled the birdle out suck that the fastner was now visible. Then he did something funky, as the material lay on the gound in a V configuration. Grabbed each corner and corssed it and and folded and rolled.
It was really strange, very quick and looked very clean in terms of material controll. After all let's face it it is much easier to roll material than to fold.

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[davelepka 4]

You have correctly described the psycho pack. It's the same as the pro pack until you lay it down on the ground 'upside down'.

At that point, he clears the bridle, and then folds the ears of the triangle in just for the sake of making the canopy the same width as the bag. The roll manuver is really the heart of the psycho pack, which was developed for the sole purpose of making it easier to get the canopy into the bag. Once the canopy is bagged, the whole mess is flipped back over to remove the 1/2 line twist. At this point, the pack job returns to the same procedures used in a pro pack in terms of stowing the lines and closing the container.


It's really just a 'trick' for bagging the canopy. Some people like it, some people dislike it. If you have an inordinate amount of trouble bagging the canopy right side up, maybe the psycho pack is a good option. If you can simply learn to pack right side up, it's probably better if you avoid inducing a line twist anywhere in the pack job.

Proper selection of canopy and container will go a long way toward making packing easier. Get a container that is generously sized for your canopy, and getting it in the bag becomes a non-issue (remember that the bag is sized for the container, so up-sizing the bag alone is not an option).

Also, starting off with a used canopy will help. It is literally 10x easier to pack a canopy with 500 or 600 jumps than a new one (or even one with less than 100 or 150 jumps). Once you have a chance to practice and refine your technique on an easy set-up, you'll be better preparred to pack a more challenging set-up.

[shah269 0]

davelepka
Thank you. But I may be wrong, but in the psycho pack isn't there a step where after you have fliped her on her back where you requarter and roll each side of the breaks around the lines?
Or was that something else I saw?
As for rolling. Looks rather efficient and cleaner than the S folds.

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[liftedtitan 0]

Ive seen that done, they make 2 rolls out of the nose, and keep the center cell in the middle.

I have also seen it just laid on its back, then the tail is pulled to make a triange. air pushed out, then each half is folded inwards and met at the middle before rolling.

both have been called "physco packing", again its the rolling of the canopy that basically defines physco packing.

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[ManagingPrime 0]

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davelepka

As for rolling. Looks rather efficient and cleaner than the S folds.

That's what I thought as well. However, (for me) it was harder to get into the bag. I was kind of nervous come pull time thinking I might have lock.

Try it. It's pretty simple and it's fun to jump a different kind of packing method.

[liftedtitan 0]

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Try it. It's pretty simple and it's fun to jump a different kind of packing method.

fun? at least get some instruction/advice in person before you go off and have "fun" jumping a mystery/experimental packjob.

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[ManagingPrime 0]

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Try it. It's pretty simple and it's fun to jump a different kind of packing method.

fun? at least get some instruction/advice in person before you go off and have "fun" jumping a mystery/experimental packjob.

You're right. I should have given the appropriate disclaimers like:
Have someone who is experienced with this type of pack job show you how to do it.

...then try it. It's fun.

While I joke. Someone did take the time to show me. I was working under the assumption that if someone saw him fumbling around on the mat they would offer assistance...which has always been the case with me.

[steve1 5]

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If you can simply learn to pack right side up, it's probably better if you avoid inducing a line twist anywhere in the pack job.

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There is a half line twist in the Psycho Pack, but before the lines are stowed, the bag is turned right side up, and the half twist is taken out.

I personally love the Psycho Pack. My bag is one size too small and this is the only way I can get it in the bag neatly. I feel it has helped my opennings considerably on my Hornet. I was getting some slammers prior to starting to Psycho Packing.

Some people do roll it up when they Psycho Pack. I make a series of small folds, rather than just roll it up. I feel it comes out neater that way....

[ManagingPrime 0]

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Some people do roll it up when they Psycho Pack. I make a series of small folds, rather than just roll it up. I feel it comes out neater that way....

Do you notice that it goes in the bag easier when you make the S-folds or is this your preference due solely to opening?

[DocPop 1]

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Ive seen that done, they make 2 rolls out of the nose, and keep the center cell in the middle.

If I understand correctly what you are describing it is someone rolling the nose to slow down the opening. You can do this with a pro-pack or a psycho pack.

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[Southern_Man 0]

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I personally love the Psycho Pack. My bag is one size too small and this is the only way I can get it in the bag neatly. I feel it has helped my opennings considerably on my Hornet. I was getting some slammers prior to starting to Psycho Packing.

I've got a hornet too so I'm interested in what you think was causing the slammer openings. Were you not really able to keep control of it during pro packing due to trying to shove it into a bag that was too small?

I've been told the Hornet has a reputation for some slammer openings. I have had very good openings to far with my pro-packing.

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[liftedtitan 0]

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Ive seen that done, they make 2 rolls out of the nose, and keep the center cell in the middle.

If I understand correctly what you are describing it is someone rolling the nose to slow down the opening. You can do this with a pro-pack or a psycho pack.

sorry i should be more clear. when you look at it on the floor you count the 4 left cells out, then the 4 right and part the packjob. you then roll each group of 4 cells towards the middle. you end up with two rolls right next to eachother with the center cell in the middle. its not necessarily to slow it down, just to make it more compact and easy to manage.

its the first .30 seconds of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qICN19uaRE

edited: to add video

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[shah269 0]

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I have also seen it just laid on its back, then the tail is pulled to make a triange. air pushed out, then each half is folded inwards and met at the middle before rolling.

YES THAT'S IT!
It looks really amazing! Much easier to control rolled up material than S bends from the looks of it!
Thank you! I thought I was going nuts!

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[Scrumpot 1]

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It looks really amazing! Much easier to control rolled up material than S bends from the looks of it!

Careful. Even as with using an "s-fold" method, it still takes some practice. It is also very easy (much easier in fact) to lose tension on your lines when rolling, and cause "slack" inside that roll-job you just did - that you cannot see - but you might... in the form of line-burns on your canopy appearing from the lines being pulled to tension, while all still inside that roll at line-stretch!

Just be mindful to keep tension on your lines while rolling, and don't allow them to go slack inside of the roll-job/canopy material as you "roll it up".

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[BIGUN 1,049]

Just for the sake of clarity, I too would roll the psycho-pack...
Until one day at a boogie; Beezy (RIP) was looking over my should and said, "I never intended anyone to roll the canopy when I developed the psycho-pack," shoved me aside and took over.
He then proceeded to demonstrate an overlap folding method by which the "fold/rolls" were about the depth of the D-bag and slipped it right in.
Until then, my rolls would sometimes spit out the sides.
Not saying the rolls don't work... but, you may wish to try both methods to see which you like better.

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[shah269 0]

I understand.
So instead of S folds it's one fold over the other.

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[pchapman 261]

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It is also very easy (much easier in fact) to lose tension on your lines when rolling, and cause "slack" inside that roll-job you just did

Agreed. The first couple times I tried psycho pack, and on a small crossbraced canopy, I had slammer openings that I wasn't normally getting. So much for soft psycho pack openings.

I don't know for sure, but figure that hidden within the wrapped tail, the slider was getting squeezed off the stops.

[BIGUN 1,049]

Yes... and admittedly I usually pschyopacked a new canopy for about the first 30 or so jumps (to control the slippery little bastard) and then would go back to a pro-pack.

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[shah269 0]

Next season I'll my local rigger to teach me how to Psycho pack. It just looks so much easier than propacking.

ps
is there anything in this sport that doesn't sound dirty?

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[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

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ps
is there anything in this sport that doesn't sound dirty?

That depends on what you define as "dirty".

It's kind of like abstract art. You see in in what is in your mind.

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[shah269 0]

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! That was easy!
Look I'm not expert by any stretch of the imagination but I am a total n00b.
And well as a n00b, this method of packing was not only easy but repeatable.
The folding/ rolling gives the n00b way more material control than the usual two S folds.
I was able to pack up my 210 Triathlon with out any mistakes repeatedly and with confidence over commercial breaks!

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[theonlyski 3]

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HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! That was easy!
Look I'm not expert by any stretch of the imagination but I am a total n00b.
And well as a n00b, this method of packing was not only easy but repeatable.
The folding/ rolling gives the n00b way more material control than the usual two S folds.
I was able to pack up my 210 Triathlon with out any mistakes repeatedly and with confidence over commercial breaks!

Also, there are a couple youtube videos on the PD channel that show packing a brand new Sabre2 260... He shows you the way I was taught by one of the Fastrax Swoop guys... Fold the canopy under, don't roll it... It will help keep the entire packjob under control.

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[mnealtx 0]

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sorry i should be more clear. when you look at it on the floor you count the 4 left cells out, then the 4 right and part the packjob. you then roll each group of 4 cells towards the middle. you end up with two rolls right next to eachother with the center cell in the middle. its not necessarily to slow it down, just to make it more compact and easy to manage.

Um, no. Rolling the nose is used to reduce opening shock - doubling the amount of fabric by folding the nose in isn't going to make it more compact or easier to manage.

From precision aero (the folks that most likely made the psycho pack video you watched):

"In the early days of propacking, there was no mention of awkward techniques like stuffing the leading edges into the center cell to "reduce opening shock", or rolling the nose past the "B" lines to ease the pain induced by the parachute opening sequence."

Mike
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