OK Serious Topic Here: How many of YOU are between the ages of 18 and 26? Are YOU ready to go to WAR?

[osuskydiver 0]

I do not see hwo she can be on food stamps.

even as an E-1 you make $1,200 a month and dependign on her location her BAH will be around $680, plus she will get paid a bit extra for having as child, she can recieve help from family support serves, there are financial advice services and so on and so on.

Unless you just have a ton opf credit cards and do not pay them(and if that is the case you can recieve an Article 15 or worse) it is impossible to be in the military and have to live on food stamps.

By the time you read this you have already read it.

[SkydiveNFlorida 0]

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I greatly appreciate our countrymen slaughtering children in Iraq out of carelessness so that I can live in fear of what will happen when they get fed the hell up.

You have hit rock bottom, and continue to dig. You should quit before the hole you are standing in gets any deeper.

So if I understand you correctly, any war in which a single innocent child is accidentally killed, is a war that you think should not have been fought?

And if so, that means that Hitler would rule all of Europe to this day. And that means that the number of Jewish children he killed along the way, would have been even greater.

So now what does this do to your philosophy? Children are killed if you don't fight back, and children are killed if you do fight back!

Failure to fight back against evil, even though some innocents may be accidentally killed in the process, creates an even greater evil.

Do you really feel that this is of Hitler proportion, John? I am not saying we should do nothing when someone attacks, but Iraq did not attack us, a terrorist group did. And, we are not killing a single innocent, we are killing many innocents.


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Angela, I'm sorry, but I have to call foul here.

I have friends and family over there fighting, and I can say that every single US soldier I've ever had the honor to meet would never allow women or children to come to harm over "carelessness."

In all honesty, I've never met a group of young people who cared so much.

I'm signing off for a while before I violate the "no personal attacks" rule, because I just about have steam coming out of my ears at the moment.

Hun, you can personally attack me all you want... what you think of me and my beliefs honestly doesn't hold great value to me.

Bombs away... (since that's what the majority here are in favor of, anyhow).

Later.
Angela.

[billvon 2,875]

>And if so, that means that Hitler would rule all of Europe to this day.

Godwin's Rule. Any argument where someone feels they must invoke Hitler to make their case is automatically lost by that person. Sort of like the first person to insult someone's mother in a bar.

[kansasskydiver 0]

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>And if so, that means that Hitler would rule all of Europe to this day.

Godwin's Rule. Any argument where someone feels they must invoke Hitler to make their case is automatically lost by that person. Sort of like the first person to insult someone's mother in a bar.

hahahahahahaha

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[osuskydiver 0]

Yes civilians die in war, there is no way around that. But your point of innocents diing has no value. Alot more innocent iraqii's were being killed under the rule of sadaam then the amount being killed now. And.....any civilians being killed there now are being killed by the same people that are attackign our soldiers still. We did not go over there to target civilians, we are there to help them, and we are doign a great job at it too.

By the time you read this you have already read it.

[SkydiveNFlorida 0]

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Yes civilians die in war, there is no way around that. But your point of innocents diing has no value. Alot more innocent iraqii's were being killed under the rule of sadaam then the amount being killed now. And.....any civilians being killed there now are being killed by the same people that are attackign our soldiers still. We did not go over there to target civilians, we are there to help them, and we are doign a great job at it too.

Are we? What good exactly are we doing? We are at war, people are being killed. What is the goal? Are we going to take over Iraq, vote on a president and officials to live in Iraq and run the place? Are we going to kill every last man in Iraq because they were taught/told to fight? So, we'll have a country of grieving Iraqi women?

I'm sorry, i'm just not seeing it.

Angela.

[osuskydiver 0]

Are you really that niave? You seriosuly have no clue why and what we are doing in Iraq? Where have you been this past year?

By the time you read this you have already read it.

[SkydiveNFlorida 0]

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Are you really that niave? You seriosuly have no clue why and what we are doing in Iraq? Where have you been this past year?

Yes, i'm that naive. So, you wanna fill me in by answering the questions?

Angela.

[TXBLKBEAR 0]

What is this THEY told him crap? Everyone that joins any service puts his/her mark on a contract. Did he read it? have you seen it? I know the process! I was a recruiter for three years in Los Angeles. I put hundreds of people in boots and I never lied to one of them. You don't have to. Besides the recruiter is not the one that gives them a job anyway just in case their are any lies. The recruiter is not even allowed in when the kid swears in. At the bottom of the contract it says (in the same size print) that you will not get anything you were promised that is not in this contract.

You have to read and initial each paragraph.

Kids often get upset with the choices they made and some lie about what they were told.

Read his contract!

AND 20k less???? We have a pay scale that anyone can look at. It shows in black and white who makes what. Look at his contract to see what rank he entered as, then look at the service pay scale. Simple.

Read before you put your mark, my daddy always said.

I will not debate the war with you.

Who hates war more than the soldier that has to step into harms way? NO ONE.

Soldiers don't fight for OIL or WMD. We fight for our buddies on our left and right.

Airborne!

[SkydiveNFlorida 0]

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>And if so, that means that Hitler would rule all of Europe to this day.

Godwin's Rule. Any argument where someone feels they must invoke Hitler to make their case is automatically lost by that person. Sort of like the first person to insult someone's mother in a bar.

Yay, I win!

Angela.

[crapflinger2000 1]

Give me a break!

You should be able to trust the federal fucking government!

When I joined the Marines, and was told, look here kid, your MOS is 0844 Forward Observer (when 0844s really work in the FDC), I was fucking lied to!

Are you really saying people don't get screwed by their recruiters? I have known many!!!
Including myself.

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[kansasskydiver 0]

thank you
Just one recruiter was honest doesn't mean they all are is all I'm saying

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[sdgregory 0]

I never said voting should be free. Freedom and voting are to different things.

[sdgregory 0]

Since when does wanting to serve mean wanting to fight?

[NoShitThereIWas 0]

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If you hate our dependence upon foreign oil so much, give up your car and use public transportation, turn your heater thermostat down to 50 degrees, don't use your air-conditioning in summer, and disable your hot-water heater. Oh yeah, and quit sucking up all that av-gas to take you to 13,000'.

Put your lifestyle where your mouth is.

Yeahhbutt, why is it that we still use cars dependent on oil which is damaging to the environment and why do we consume more natural gas than any other country in the world? It isn't because we need to. I don't EVEN want to get started on the environmental ramifications of running our natural gas well dry and the overburning of fossil fuels ... I hate to say it but we can run most of those things off of generators and electricity. Political interest groups which represent oil companies and industries have far too much power and hold too many capitalist cards politically for a thing to happen. Fortunately and unfortunately we live in a Capitalist economy where power and the dollar precede what is right for the environment, the people and the world.

What is going to happen when the dollar declines such and the world refuses to do foreign trade with us? The Euro is already kicking our ass ...

Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires."

Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say."

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[TXBLKBEAR 0]

I did not say that.

Recruiters are PEOPLE first. Shitty person that lies = Shitty Recruiter that lies. Now if your Recruiter lied to you then so be it. You should have checked before you said OK.

I can't speak on the USMC Recruiter.

I can say that if you think anyone should trust the Federal Fucking Government you are NAIVE.

Airborne!

[kansasskydiver 0]

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The Euro is already kicking our ass ...

there we have it then! Let's all move to Europe!

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[sdgregory 0]

Screw that, print our own money.

Note to Secret Service Agents reading::: -- That was meant as a joke. Definied as funny ha ha. Meant to inspire a laugh, etc.--

[rjf98 0]

Wait a minute... "Daddy wasn't head of the cia until... 80 something"

Bush's record is clear.

As a matter of record. I am currently serving in the military, started as reserves, commissioned active duty. I don't think we need a draft. I don't want to see a draft.
1. That best part about America is that you aren't required to serve. Those that do serve do so because they want to. Best part... name another country that gives as much as the USA...mostly volunteers.
2. I serve so that my family doesn't have to. If someone comes to arrest my daughter (don't have one yet, but will) or arrest my wife because they refuse to serve... Well let me put it on the record. They better come with lots of guns.
I'm a little conservative and traditional when it comes to roles in society I guess, but I'm firm in my conviction that serving America should be voluntary.

[TXBLKBEAR 0]

Hey Question?

If I tell you that you are going to get a brand new 500SL Mercedes, You sign a contract and give me $5000.00 down then I deliver to your house a 1979 AMC Pacer.

The contract said AMC Pacer but you never read it. It also said that anything this car salesman promised you is worthless unless its in this contract. Now THATS a shitty thing to do!!

But the question is..... Who's fault is it that your stuck with the Pacer? And when your friends see you in it and LTFAO, what will you say?

You won't say you screwed yourself by not reading the contract..... You'll say..... The salesman Screwed me. See?

Airborne!

[Salamander 0]

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It also said that anything this car salesman promised you is worthless unless its in this contract.

So wouldn't the salesperson have been committing some sort of fraudulent misrepresentation?

If so... is that legal in the US?

[crapflinger2000 1]

ha ha got me there!

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[crapflinger2000 1]

Damn you! I actually drove a Pacer for awhile... girls called it the "bubble-car".

Yes, I was quite the stud

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[TXBLKBEAR 0]

When you sign the contract that clearly states the facts, its your responsibility to read it.

It's a really shitty thing to do to someone and anyone that does something that low should be taken out in the back and have the shit kicked out of them.

BUT if you go to court on something like that you will lose every time. Thats why we don't let kids sign. You must be an adult or your parents can sign for you.

I never lied to someone because I have to look at myself in the mirror and be OK with who I am. But in this world some people are just shitty. Thats why you must protect yourself and read what you sign.

Airborne!

[TXBLKBEAR 0]

Don't feel bad, My first car was a Gremlin.

I still have nightmares. PFC's Didn't get paid much back then.

Airborne!