mjosparky 3 #2 October 12, 2010 They are both safe until used by a skydiver. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NovaTTT 1 #3 October 12, 2010 The Racer "Even in a world where perfection is unattainable, there's still a difference between excellence and mediocrity." Gary73 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
727_Jumper 0 #4 October 12, 2010 QuoteThey are both safe until used by a skydiver. Sparky doesn't get any more true than that! Both rigs are mfg to TSO C23(d), so I don't think that one is more safe than the other from a mechanical point of view. I'd think selection would boil down to other things, like fit, materials; basically, personal preference and experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kellja2001 0 #5 October 12, 2010 Quote Quote They are both safe until used by a skydiver. Sparky doesn't get any more true than that! Yes it does! Quote The Racer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #6 October 12, 2010 QuoteBoth rigs are mfg to TSO C23(d) While Javelins built after 2001 are built under C23d, I don't remember and can't find anything that says that Vector3's ever went through C23d testing. Couldn't find any TSO information in the most current UPT manual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #7 October 12, 2010 Vector3's are still under 23b I believe.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
727_Jumper 0 #8 October 12, 2010 ok, my bad I guess, I couldn't find anything on the RWS site about anything related to C23 at all. My refrence to the C23d for them came from one of their distributors saying it was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 102 #9 October 13, 2010 QuoteVector3's Wonderhogs are still under 23b I believe. I assembled and packed a brand-new one a couple days ago. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #10 October 13, 2010 Hi Phree, Yup, as mentioned by others: C23b And Bill, personally, told me he will NEVER give up that TSO for a newer one. And I do not blame him. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #11 October 13, 2010 Quote Quote Vector3's Wonderhogs are still under 23b I believe. I assembled and packed a brand-new one a couple days ago. Mark Hi Mark, was it a regular Wonderhog or a Wonderhog Micron ? scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKR 0 #12 October 13, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Vector3's Wonderhogs are still under 23b I believe. I assembled and packed a brand-new one a couple days ago. Mark Hi Mark, was it a regular Wonderhog or a Wonderhog Micron ? Not Micron but Sprint for the WonderhogJérôme Bunker Basik Air Concept www.basik.fr http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Luc-France/BASIK-AIR-CONCEPT/172133350468 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #13 October 13, 2010 TSO Index of Articles TSO Index of Articles Information TSO Number: TSO-C23B TSO Title: Personnel Parachutes Assemblies Latest Update: TSO Holder's Name: Relative Workshop TSO Holder's Address: 1645 N. Lexington Avenue DeLand FL 32724 United States Responsible Office: ACE-115A Atlanta Aircraft Certification Office Tel: (404) 474-5500 Part/Model Number & Name: Wonderhog TSO Index of Articles TSO Index of Articles Information TSO Number: TSO-C23C TSO Title: Personnel Parachutes Assemblies Latest Update: TSO Holder's Name: Relative Workshop TSO Holder's Address: 1725 Lexington Avenue Deland FL 32720 United States Responsible Office: ACE-115A Atlanta Aircraft Certification Office Tel: (404) 474-5500 Part/Model Number & Name: VT-1 VTC-1 TSO Index of Articles TSO Index of Articles Information TSO Number: TSO-C23C TSO Title: Personnel Parachutes Assemblies Latest Update: TSO Holder's Name: Sun Path Products, Inc. TSO Holder's Address: 5037 Gall Blvd. Zephythills FL 34248 United States Responsible Office: ACE-115A Atlanta Aircraft Certification Office Tel: (404) 474-5500 Part/Model Number & Name: JC-101( ) JH-101( ) TSO Index of Articles TSO Index of Articles Information TSO Number: TSO-C23D TSO Title: PERSONNEL PARACHUTE ASSEMBLIES Latest Update: 07/31/2002 TSO Holder's Name: Sun Path Products, Inc. TSO Holder's Address: 4439 Skydive Lane Zephyrhills FL 33540 United States Responsible Office: ACE-115A Atlanta Aircraft Certification Office Tel: (404) 474-5500 Part/Model Number & Name: JC-101-( ) ===== Container JH-101-( ) ===== Harness SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #14 October 13, 2010 Quote TSO Number: TSO-C23C TSO Title: Personnel Parachutes Assemblies Part/Model Number & Name: VT-1 VTC-1 TSO Index of Articles would that be the Vector Tandem ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKR 0 #15 October 13, 2010 The label still on cat C23-b on the Sigma...unless they change it..Jérôme Bunker Basik Air Concept www.basik.fr http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Luc-France/BASIK-AIR-CONCEPT/172133350468 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antonija 0 #16 October 13, 2010 I own V3 but I think J is more sexeh... too bad their delivery time was more than half a year when I was shopping for a rig. I understand the need for conformity. Without a concise set of rules to follow we would probably all have to resort to common sense. -David Thorne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
erdnarob 1 #17 October 16, 2010 The one with the pilot chute launching the highest ie The VECTOR III. In case of an AAD firing, that feature will more likely make you avoid a PC hesitation when the time is precious.Learn from others mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
erdnarob 1 #18 October 16, 2010 Antonija, good things are hard to get. Some strategy to order is to do it in October and go and pick up your rig in Florida in March. Learn from others mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mchamp 1 #19 October 17, 2010 Wise choice, exactly what I did! Lol picked it up during the skydive expo. Also can someone elaborate the difference between C23b and C23d? Are they just more strict regulations in order receive the c23d sort of a higher requirement of safety? I'm assuming UPT chooses not to get the 23d because of the additional cost?? Nonetheless I will always believe in my V3 to save my life lol For info regarding lift ticket prices all around the world check out http://www.jumpticketprices.com/dropzones.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #20 October 17, 2010 Quote Wise choice, exactly what I did! Lol picked it up during the skydive expo. Also can someone elaborate the difference between C23b and C23d? Are they just more strict regulations in order receive the c23d sort of a higher requirement of safety? I'm assuming UPT chooses not to get the 23d because of the additional cost?? Nonetheless I will always believe in my V3 to save my life lol Gear manufactured under TSO-C23b is tested to standards in NAS-804 which was approved in 1949. Gear manufactured under TSO-C23d is tested to the standards in AS-8015B. I have sent a copy of both documents to your email address. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #21 October 17, 2010 Hi champ, I will assume that you have gotten my reply to your PM. This brings up something that I have given a lot of thought to in the past few years: Does anyone purchasing new gear really make a decision based upon which version of the TSO that the gear was certificated under? So, how about you, mchamp; what do you say? You did ask the question? JerryBaumchen PS) I, personally, do not think that people care about which TSO gear is certificated under. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P-dro 0 #22 October 17, 2010 is it possible to know why? excuse me if it's been already discussed.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,047 #23 October 17, 2010 Hi P-dro, Quoteis it possible to know why? Sorry, but I do not understand your question. Could you expand on it? Thanks, JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
727_Jumper 0 #24 October 17, 2010 Quote Hi champ, I will assume that you have gotten my reply to your PM. This brings up something that I have given a lot of thought to in the past few years: Does anyone purchasing new gear really make a decision based upon which version of the TSO that the gear was certificated under? So, how about you, mchamp; what do you say? You did ask the question? JerryBaumchen PS) I, personally, do not think that people care about which TSO gear is certificated under. I think it only fair for me to speak up as I'm the one who introduced TSOs into the discussion.. My goal was to show that a standard for manufacturing had been met by both companies and it was basically a level playing field. The info I had was erroneous and have since made a clarification in a follow up post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mchamp 1 #25 October 18, 2010 Most certainly did receive your reply and much appreciated! In response to your question, personally I did not choose my rig based on TSO certifications but was solely curious about the differences. I highly doubt that any people choose to purchase their rig upon TSO certifications as modern rigs nowadays are just about all quite safe and secure. I would also go as far as to say that 95% of people that are not riggers would not know the difference between different TSO's. I chose my rig upon pin protection, riser covers, freely friendly, and the safety options and choice of materials.For info regarding lift ticket prices all around the world check out http://www.jumpticketprices.com/dropzones.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
