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skydyvr 0
QuoteQuoteThe guns didn't shoot anyone. Some whacked out kids did.
Imagine if they only had rocks and sticks to throw... oh, the humanity..
Yea, without guns, they might have focused more on home made pipe bombs, and actually got them to work! (ala Dillon and Klebold)
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rjf98 0
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How about this. If you use a gun and kill someone and then we catch you... YOU DIE.
I don't want to turn this into a death penalty argument. It's just that the ban takes away what I as a law abiding citizen can enjoy and does nothing statistically relavent to make everyone safer.
benny 0
QuoteLet's stick to the topic. Assault weapons ban. Do you honestly believe that you are safer due to the ban? If you do than the quote applies. If you don't feel safer... well... what's the use?
Look, I honestly like guns. Hell, post 9/11 I'm really glad that rednecks have guns because I feel like said good ole boys are going to be the last line of defense when the government basically begins to lock down all our freedoms in the name of "security". But it's complex, I'm also for this ban because I don't think just any schmoe from the street should be able to own a weapon capable of mowing down lots and lots of people in a short amount of time.
I'm really torn by this issue, but I'm not sure what the answer is. I don't think you should ban all guns, but at the same time there has to be some sort of point at which we say no. Under the most widespread interpretation of the second amendment we should be able to get our hands on some ICBMs as well.
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why do you jump out of an airplane?
I know my reasons... so why do people need guns in general? Nobody has even come close to an answer?
And I know my reasons for wanting a firearm. Who are you or the government to say no?
And still, no answer.....
Easy question.... Why? And don't answer with another question...
Well, you didn't answer my question either.
You want my reason? Fine- I want one.
Now, why can't I have one?
Here we go.....
I've shot guns my entire life. You name it, I've shot it. My brother is a very highly decorated cop in NJ, and I've played with ALL his toys. Now, Let's look at cause and effect.
It's not the constitution-loving, registered gun owner I'm worried about. Where do the criminals get there guns? States with little/no regulation. States where you only need a drivers license to buy a gun. States that opposed a waiting period. These guns are brought to areas where guns are harder to get legally. Most of the illegal guns in NJ and NYC came from the south. It's like a fucked up osmosis.
Owning a gun for personal use/protection is fine. Government regulates what kind. Too bad. I feel I have the right to have a Bazooka, and RPG, and a Howitzer in my small urban apartment, but, gee, I can't. Oh well.... If all these illegal guns weren't everywhere, why would we need such protection? What is the exact % of people that are killed with their own guns? Anyone? Pretty high from what I remember.
I skydive because I love it.
It's beyond freedom. My owning a rig doesn't jeopardize anyone around me. I skydive because I can, and I want to. Need and want are two different things. People want guns, they don't need them.
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billvon 2,898
> Rights. Liberals want to bend and change the Constitution to suit
>their own agenda.
It was a joke, but if you insist:
If you consider this administration as "conservatives," conservatives are doing their level best to destroy the protections of the first, fourth, fifth and sixth amendments. In the name of "fighting terror" of course. Sorry, but those protections, to me, are a lot more important than the protections of the second amendment (although in my ideal world you don't mess with the constitution at all.)
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe guns didn't shoot anyone. Some whacked out kids did.
Imagine if they only had rocks and sticks to throw... oh, the humanity..
Yea, without guns, they might have focused more on home made pipe bombs, and actually got them to work! (ala Dillon and Klebold)
But their guns worked JUST FINE to kill how many high school kids? Where did they get their guns? They might have focused on pipe bombs? Prove it!
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Kennedy 0
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The gangs on the streets were litterally mowing down people (police in particular) with these devices. These weapons weren't choosen to be banned simply because they were "scary looking" as JohnRich keeps regurgitating from the NRA, but because they were extremely popular with gangs.
They were mowing people down, but the banned firearms are only used in 2% of gun crimes?
Quade, the Assault Weapons Ban applies only to semi-automatic rifles. These are not machine guns. They do not "spray bullets." They fire one bullet every time you pull the trigger, and one bullet only.
These terms of the AWB are all about cosmetic features, not funcitonal ones. The AWB bans a firearms having two or more of the following: bayonnet lugs, pistol grips, collapsible stock, flash suppresor, and threads for a sound suppresor.
So the industry kept making the exact same semi-automatic firearms, but without those external features.
These firearms look like military rifles. Gun control advocates have commented on using the ignorance of the public and taking advantage of the fact that people don't know the difference between true military assault weapons and these semi-automatic cousins.
QuoteThat -has- made the weapons less popular with those folks in general which is why year after year their use has steadily declined.
Actually, they are more popular now because they are harder to get and have become collectors items inaddition to any other values.
Also, these firearms have not become less common in crimes than before the AWB was passed. They still constitute just 2% of gun crimes, same as before the ban.
QuoteFor people with an open mind, more information HERE
You ridicule people quoting the NRA, but you post from the brady campaign? These people are the biggest gun ban organization around. THe NRA has training services, safety courses, environmental and conservation efforts, and more. The Brady people are nothing but straight up gun banners.
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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Jimbo 0
QuoteLook, I honestly like guns. Hell, post 9/11 I'm really glad that rednecks have guns because I feel like said good ole boys are going to be the last line of defense when the government basically begins to lock down all our freedoms in the name of "security".
So only rednecks should be able to own guns?
QuoteBut it's complex, I'm also for this ban because I don't think just any schmoe from the street should be able to own a weapon capable of mowing down lots and lots of people in a short amount of time.
None of the weapons covered in the AWB are capable of "mowing down lots and lots of people in a short amount of time". Every weapon covered under the AWB is a single shot, one sqeeze of the trigger, one round, weapon; just like handgun or rifle I could buy from the dealer down the road. "Assault Weapons", as has been covered before, "look" scary to the anti-gun crowd. Tell me, how is a gun covered under the AWB, that is functionally the same as a gun not covered under the AWB, any more dangerous than any other gun?
QuoteI'm really torn by this issue, but I'm not sure what the answer is.
Well, you're finally starting to give it some thought, that's the best anyone can hope for, I suppose.
Quotedon't think you should ban all guns, but at the same time there has to be some sort of point at which we say no.
Yes, currently we say "no" to the scary looking ones.
QuoteUnder the most widespread interpretation of the second amendment we should be able to get our hands on some ICBMs as well.
That's been debated before, most reasonable people agree that ICBMs are not covered under the second amendment.
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jdhill 0
QuoteI skydive because I love it.
It's beyond freedom. My owning a rig doesn't jeopardize anyone around me. I skydive because I can, and I want to. Need and want are two different things. People want guns, they don't need them.
Now with some small changes...
I shoot guns because I love it.
It's beyond freedom. My owning a gun doesn't jeopardize anyone around me. I shoot guns because I can, and I want to. Need and want are two different things. People want to skydive, they don't need to.
QuoteWhere do the criminals get there guns? States with little/no regulation. States where you only need a drivers license to buy a gun. States that opposed a waiting period. These guns are brought to areas where guns are harder to get legally. Most of the illegal guns in NJ and NYC came from the south. It's like a fucked up osmosis.
Criminals get the majority of their guns through theft, not someone buying a gun legally and reselling it... I'm sure that happens in some cases, but its not the majority.
QuoteI feel I have the right to have a Bazooka, and RPG, and a Howitzer in my small urban apartment, but, gee, I can't.
Oh but you can... if you are willing to do all the paperwork and pay the taxes...
QuoteNow, Let's look at cause and effect.
What effect has the ban had? None... It was an artificial, feel good (not) measure, based purely on asthetics, not function...
If the ban had some tangible effect on crime, I might say it should continue, but there has been no effect, so the ban should sunset, like it was intended.
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Kennedy 0
QuoteI think "plastic" guns are horrible.
Well, the day someone invents one, you just let me know. He said "polymer framed" pistols. Glocks are polymer framed. They started the revolution. They also have about two pounds of steel resting on top of the frame. That is called the slide. There is also the barrel and the inner workings of the gun. Again, all metal.
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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QuoteLet's play a little word substitution...
QuoteI skydive because I love it.
It's beyond freedom. My owning a rig doesn't jeopardize anyone around me. I skydive because I can, and I want to. Need and want are two different things. People want guns, they don't need them.
Now with some small changes...
I shoot guns because I love it.
It's beyond freedom. My owning a gun doesn't jeopardize anyone around me. I shoot guns because I can, and I want to. Need and want are two different things. People want to skydive, they don't need to.
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I NEVER MENTIONED THE BAN!!!!!!! I'm talking theoretically. Owning a gun doesn't jeopardize anyone around you? is it a magic gun? A water pistol? Give me proof that the illegal guns in NYC are "stolen". And stolen from where. They are brought in, mainly from VA, SC, NC, GA, and other states w/ lax gun laws.
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Jimbo 0
QuoteThey are brought in, mainly from VA, SC, NC, GA, and other states w/ lax gun laws.
New York City's draconian gun laws don't make PA's gun laws "lax". Look to the rest of the country to get a baseline on what is and isn't "lax".
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Jim
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.
I love this quote and usually apply it to the proponents of the PATRIOT Act among other things.
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