nacmacfeegle 0 #51 March 30, 2004 Then again, if the French had backed up the Scots, we wouldn't have had a German royal family on the throne..... See "ifs and ands" further up.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #52 March 30, 2004 UK companies that are subsidaries of US owned companies may put in bids but at least 10% of the company must be American.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #53 March 30, 2004 Me and a couple of thousand chums work for KBR (Halliburton) in the UK. We are busy (never too busy to post whore-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #54 March 30, 2004 If it wasnt for the French???? Are you kidding? The people under British rule rebelled at that rule...the French didnt take those people and tell them to start their own country...it was rebellion at the British rule. The Brits and French were at war, but that had nothing to do with the American Revolution and the breaking away from Bristish domination in 1776 Man ....what history books do you read...French books no doubt. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #55 March 30, 2004 So the French gave no assistence???? Not even their Navy???? Come on Bill you know better than that.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #56 March 30, 2004 The French were at the English throats...anything they did was against England, a fringe benefit to the Americans who wanted away from English rule, but the French were at war with England. Read about Fort William Henry on Lake george, and that was English vs French...a total French disgrace...nothing to do directly with the rebels of the 1776 revolution . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #57 March 30, 2004 Think again, and just say 'merci beaucou' http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/sfelshin/saintonge/frhist.html If you don't want to thank them for the decisive part they played in spawning your nation, at least give them back their statue. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #58 March 30, 2004 The only thing the French ever did for the Americans was sell them the Louisiana Purchase in 1803.....and I dont think that deal is completed yet.... Of course, they also allowed the USA to call their mani dish "French Fries" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,935 #59 March 30, 2004 QuoteIn WW I, the USA sent enough men to bail France out. It wasnt until late in the war, but the men from USA were the factor that turned the tide against the Hun and won the war....strictly manpower. In W W II, it was once again men, but also equipment. The Brits and canadians et al, would still be fighting that war if it hadnt been for the American men, planes, tanks, bombs, and everything elses the USA poured into the war effort. I have been a historian for many years, (particularly focusing on WW I, aviation, and have evn built four WW I full scale aircraft. Ive talked with many pilots from that era, and the last surviving German pilot of that war was a very good friend. Ive questioned them about the USA involvement, and they all agreed that without the USA, the Vichy Government would still be giving France to the Huns. Read your history books. The same giveaway was implemented by the french in WW II as De Gaule spent his time in England while the soldiers from the USA poured across France to kick the Germans out. Read my post, I didn't mention WWII at all so why are you bringing it up? In WWI the US involvement was minor; the heavy lifting was done by the French, Russians and British Empire. The French killed more Germans in one battle alone (Verdun) than all Germans killed by US forces. The British killed more Germans in one battle alone (Somme) than all Germans killed by US forces. The German fleet was destroyed by the British. US troops were hardly involved in the final decisive Allied breakthrough on the Marne in August 1918 that led to the German surrender after the British pushed the Germans back to the Scheldt. The Germans and their allies also lost major battles in Italy and Palestine in late 1918 to the Italians and British respectively, with no US involvment. So you check your history books. Since you brought up WWII, the USA did not join in to "bail out" France (it would have joined in 2 years earlier if that were the case). The USA joined in because Germany and Japan declared war on the USA in December 1941, at which point the USA had no option but to join in.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #60 March 30, 2004 I dont have their statue...Im Canadian, and we are still stuck with them. If we wanted spawn...we could have got it from Salmon. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phlip 0 #61 March 30, 2004 Chuteless... I think we all got it: France sucks, it is useless, a country of cowards, that really really really doesn't like USA, that usually don't make "right" decisions and above all think they are right and the rest of the world is wrong. USA is the perfect world, that always makes the right decision, doesn't understand why other country don't follow US's ideas because all we want is everybody on Earth to experience the American Dream the way we do. The reason why so many country don't support the US is because they are all against the US. It is obviously a given that the US is right. I believe that in order to have an interesting conversation one has to be willing to reconsider their opinion. If you are right and we are wrong then why do we keep talking? Phlip Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #62 March 30, 2004 LOL........ Ah well at least they brought diversity to Canadian cuisine.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,935 #63 March 30, 2004 QuoteIf it wasnt for the French???? Are you kidding? The people under British rule rebelled at that rule...the French didnt take those people and tell them to start their own country...it was rebellion at the British rule. The Brits and French were at war, but that had nothing to do with the American Revolution and the breaking away from Bristish domination in 1776 Man ....what history books do you read...French books no doubt. Bill Cole D-41 You claim to be a historian - what are your credentials? You seem to have a fairly poor grasp of history for a historian. The American rebellion was spawned by the aftermath of the French and Indian wars. Of course the French were involved!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #64 March 30, 2004 The French were at war with Britain....and it was the British rule that brought about the American Revolution...The French welcomed the Revolution, and aided those who would overthrow the Brits. Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjf98 0 #65 March 30, 2004 Funny Zeemax, but the American fuel prices are at their highest level since the early 80s (adjusted for inflation). If we were making all this money on oil then why would our president be on the firing line about tapping into our reserve stocks? If you're position is that some companies are making money on the reconstruction.. than say so. That however is completely different than saying we are making money off of Iraq's oil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,935 #66 March 30, 2004 QuoteFunny Zeemax, but the American fuel prices are at their highest level since the early 80s (adjusted for inflation). If we were making all this money on oil then why would our president be on the firing line about tapping into our reserve stocks? If you're position is that some companies are making money on the reconstruction.. than say so. That however is completely different than saying we are making money off of Iraq's oil. Depends how you define "we", doesn't it. You and I may be paying higher prices, but how much money are the big oil companies making? Who contributed mightily to Bush's campaign funds?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #67 March 30, 2004 QuoteIt can also mean taking the easy fat lazy stupid route. So THAT'S what happened to you!! Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjf98 0 #68 March 30, 2004 I would have to take his definition from this Quote and made America a few quid in oil. my emphasis added Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #69 March 30, 2004 QuoteIraqis, Iranians, Palestinians, and Afghans, et al. have to be the weirdest sickest people on the planet. no, people who make unfair generalisations based on there own personal judgements are sick... Yes, there are those who make their point in ways that many disagree with, but that does not mean the whole group is the same.Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #70 March 30, 2004 yup, America... American Oil companies, who happen to be a part of America. Who happen to 'donate' to the American goverment... The goverment which runs America...Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #71 March 30, 2004 'From the perspective of the American Revolution, however, the high point of French support is the landing of five battalions of French infantry and artillery in Rhode Island in 1780. In 1781, these French troops under the command of Count Rochambeau marched south to Virginia where they joined Continental forces under Washington and Lafayette. Cornwallis, encamped on the Yorktown peninsula, hoped to be rescued by the British navy. A French fleet under the command of Admiral DeGrasse intercepted and, after a fierce battle lasting several days, defeated the British fleet and forced it to withdraw. This left the French navy to land heavy siege cannon and other supplies and trapped Cornwallis on the Yorktown peninsula. At that point, the defeat of Cornwallis was essentially a matter of time. On September 14, 1781, the French and Continental armies completed their 700 mile march and soon thereafter laid siege to the British positions. After a number of weeks and several brief but intense engagements, Cornwallis, besieged on the peninsula by the large and well-equipped French-American army, and stricken by dysentery, determined to surrender his army. On October 19, 1781, the British forces marched out between the silent ranks of the Americans and French, arrayed in parallel lines a mile long, and cast down their arms.' There you go, If it wasn't for the French the Americans would still be supping ale, football would be proper football not 'Rugby for girls', and G.W would be kissing Tony Blairs arse not the other way round.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,935 #72 March 30, 2004 I just heard on the news that Alistair Cooke died at age 95. Many Americans may not realize it, but Cooke was the voice of America (and spokesman for the "American Way") to much of the rest of the world for 58 years. His weekly radio program, "Letter from America" on the BBC World Service, was the longest running radio program in history, with the last one broadcast just last month. He only missed three broadcasts in 58 years. In the US he was best known as the original host of Masterpiece Theatre on PBS.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjf98 0 #73 March 30, 2004 Quote no, people who make unfair generalisations based on there own personal judgements are sick... You mean like this Quoteand made America a few quid in oil. and this Quote yup, America... American Oil companies, who happen to be a part of America. Who happen to 'donate' to the American goverment... The goverment which runs America... By the way.. the government doesn't run the country... we do This post edited for clarity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #74 March 30, 2004 good come back... However i think the difference between what i put and trying to get rid of a whole race is slightly different. America WILL make money from the oil somehow, please dont be so naieve as to think you wont. Maybe you personally as an american citizen wont directly see the benefit, but the country as a whole will gain. Dont forget the American companies who are rebuilding the iraq, they wont be doing it for free... QuoteBy the way.. the government doesn't run the country... we do Of course you do, but not exactly directly... What about the people who didn't vote for Bush (actually quite a few) or who aposed the war, would you say that they were too running the country?Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityAddicts 0 #75 March 30, 2004 I can not say enough good about the USA, yes, there are some bad things too but in comparison to the European Nations that took well over 5 centuries to achieve their current status with lots of atrocities; it took the US a little over 200 centuries to achieve its status, similar to that of the European Nations, yes some very bad mistakes have been made in the way. But the USA have come a long way from a baby country to a super power and it is all because the best of the best (citizens) of other countries have seen the potential of this new country and provided their "2 cents" people like the French Army yes doubtful but true their help was essential in the independence of the now Super Power, Germans like Albert Einstein, Italians, Irish, Britons, Spaniors, you get my drift? If we look in American History, you will find (I am almost certain about this) a citizen from almost every country in the world who had a positive impact on the formation of the United States. These people saw that there was something good cooking in this melting pot and wanted to add some of their spice that will make it better, yes there are some flaws but the essence of what the American Dream (I called it the Dream of Happiness search by all humanity) can be smelled. To make it even better the US gives the opportunity to all, that have something against its leadership ( or the way things are done) regardless of country to come to the US become a citizen and place your vote to make a difference. If you want to make a bigger impact take your shot at governor or senator, ask Governor Hon. Arnold Schwarzenegger, of what he thinks (let me know what other country lets you do that). There is a long and arduous road ahead with a lot of bad decisions to be made (we are humans after all), but at least I am faithful that the view of the founding fathers and happiness are the goal, and I am willing to give my life for its success. CLAIMER I am responsible for everything I've said I apologize if I insult anyone, it was not my intention I apologize if my English is not perfect (sometimes I have problems with verbs) I am just a guy outside looking in. Don't criticize . . .strive to improve it. . . it will help everyone a lot more. BTW Kennedy good definitions . . . you forgot that US strives for perfection in every sport . . . couple of years from now and they will have a World Cup. It is going to piss a lot of people off. Like Sublime will say. . . Love's what I've got!!! I say remember that!! Blue Skies for every one and fast turbine airplanes (french or american it does not matter to me as long as I can enjoy them) Gravity Addict <------------> Gravity Addict #3; Hispa #9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
