TheDonMan 0 #1 March 8, 2010 I sent a container to Sunpath to have the leg straps replaced on an articulated harness.... the girl slid across the runway and actually tore her leg straps... no other damage was noticed by 2 other riggers including myself... this is what i got from sunpath... inspect...........$ disassemble system components... take out reserve ......$$ (not wanted) replace reserve side flaps plastics (right and left sides) ????? ... $$$ replace harness (chest ring downwards) using new dad (hip rings) and stainless leg adaptors......$$$$ Called about this and rigger inspecting said it was because they found cadmium residue..... WHAT IS THAT??? and why do they have to replace the entire harness...... all we wanted was the leg straps replaced....... why did they need to open the reserve on an articulated harness when all we wanted was the leg straps replaced.... this is the second time i have sent a rig to them and had trumped up charges... the last rig they "had to wash because it smelled like cigarette smoke and they HAD to wash it before they could work on it...... (owner was a smoker)... more $$... So my question... what does cadmium residue do to fabric?.. and if it is bad why is the industry using it? ordinary rigger wants to know?... By the way.. spoke with my DPRE and he want to know as well... just a question The world is full of willing people, some willing to work, the rest willing to let them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buff 0 #2 March 8, 2010 Not a rigger but I'll take a stab. They can do it because they now have the rig and can declare it unairworthy and force you to pay to get it back in service!?! Just my guess.It's called the Hillbilly Hop N Pop dude. If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough. That's fucked up. Watermelons do not grow on trees! ~Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hchunter614 0 #3 March 8, 2010 Why don't you ask them? You already talked to them to find out why they did the extra work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #4 March 8, 2010 Nickel Cadmium residue gets on everything it rubs against if it's under load for any length of time. For example, risers, hip rings, and chest rings also to some degree ... Non-stainless of course. What is the actual break down and damage that was incurred by this residue? Have you had the work done arelady? If it's already apart, have the webbing pieces and the old hardware sent back to you. Cadmium residue is a very non-specific diagnosis. It means absolutely nothing by itself. According to what I'm reading into it, there is allegedly something wrong with the hip rings causing wear on the harness. (not my diagnosis, just what I'm reading into your post). The only reason to remove the reserve would be to replace the reserve side flap plastics. Yes it can stay in but 5 minutes to remove and re-attach the reserve will save a lot of headache. To replace the harness from the chest down is quite simple. The reserve does not need to be touched for that. The harness repair will take maybe an hour for a factory harness builder. That includes unstitching the lower 3 point.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spootch 0 #5 March 9, 2010 how old is the rig? and did they replace all the ring hardware (from the chest down)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #6 March 9, 2010 They took the reserve out cause they will not put a stitch in a rig with a reserve in. Overkill or not, that is their policy. As for everything else, and explanations on all their policy, try them first. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #7 March 9, 2010 Just out of curiosity, why did you ship the container with the reserve inside? I had some work done on my container last month. Prior to shipping it out, I removed the main, reserve and Cypres. Less weight to ship, less value to insure. Not that much work, and I was due for a reserve repack anyway."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spootch 0 #8 March 9, 2010 QuoteThey took the reserve out cause they will not put a stitch in a rig with a reserve in. Overkill or not, that is their policy odd.... they stitched mine with the reserve in Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #9 March 9, 2010 QuoteThey took the reserve out cause they will not put a stitch in a rig with a reserve in. Overkill or not, that is their policy. Good policy, in my opinion. People have died because they accidentally sewed their reserve to their rig, and then tried to use it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #10 March 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteThey took the reserve out cause they will not put a stitch in a rig with a reserve in. Overkill or not, that is their policy. Good policy, in my opinion. People have died because they accidentally sewed their reserve to their rig, and then tried to use it. Ok that makes sense, but it seems you should be able to work on legstraps without sewing your reserve to the container. But for work done on the container, seems like a good idea.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #11 March 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteThey took the reserve out cause they will not put a stitch in a rig with a reserve in. Overkill or not, that is their policy. Good policy, in my opinion. People have died because they accidentally sewed their reserve to their rig, and then tried to use it. Maybe so but it's impossible to accidentally sew the harness to the reserve. That would not be the reason for removing it.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerpaul 1 #12 March 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteThey took the reserve out cause they will not put a stitch in a rig with a reserve in. Overkill or not, that is their policy. Good policy, in my opinion. People have died because they accidentally sewed their reserve to their rig, and then tried to use it. Maybe so but it's impossible to accidentally sew the harness to the reserve. That would not be the reason for removing it. Sunpath has told me that they will do NO work on any container without a complete inspection. I don't know exactly when they started that policy, but it has been in place since at least last November, when I had some emails with them about their services and policies on container repair. Of course, you can't do a complete inspection with the reserve packed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 93 #13 March 9, 2010 I'm surprised that cad plated hardware is still available, or at least that it isn't so expensive because of the toxic nature of cadmium that it would fall out of fashion for cost reasons if nothing else.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linestretch 0 #14 March 9, 2010 Same problem. I had a friend wanting to sell an older javelin and there was a nick in the lateral. I told her to send it back to sunpath to have it looked at. She got raped. They replaced the BOC, bridle cover, several grommets and told her the lateral was fine. She was pretty upset at me. I felt bad....sorta.my pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #15 March 9, 2010 QuoteSame problem. I had a friend wanting to sell an older javelin and there was a nick in the lateral. I told her to send it back to sunpath to have it looked at. She got raped. They replaced the BOC, bridle cover, several grommets and told her the lateral was fine. Did they call and get her approval before doing all that? No one should be performing work on someone's rig without the express permission to do so. If they turn it over to them for one thing, and they want to do more, they should request the customer's permission first. The customer should have the right to say "no", and to have their rig returned to them as-is if they don't want to pay for that extra work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #16 March 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe customer should have the right to say "no", and to have their rig returned to them as-is if they don't want to pay for that extra work. I agree with this."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites manit 0 #17 March 9, 2010 I have used Sunpath many times in the past. In every instance, an email quote has gone out regarding the work to be done and the cost. Nothing has ever been done without my permission. I find it hard to believe that all of that work would have been done without you or the rig owners permission. Maybe instead of spouting off about the problem, to anyone who will listen, why don't you bring it up in a professional manner with Sunpath directly? I have always found them very fair and professional. Just a thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #18 March 9, 2010 QuoteI have used Sunpath many times in the past. In every instance, an email quote has gone out regarding the work to be done and the cost. Nothing has ever been done without my permission. I find it hard to believe that all of that work would have been done without you or the rig owners permission. Maybe instead of spouting off about the problem, to anyone who will listen, why don't you bring it up in a professional manner with Sunpath directly? I have always found them very fair and professional. Just a thought. Just for the record: you responded to the wrong person. I am not the person who is having the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 0 #19 March 9, 2010 QuoteMaybe instead of spouting off about the problem, to anyone who will listen, why don't you bring it up in a professional manner with Sunpath directly? I have always found them very fair and professional. Just a thought. Just a thought. Try not to imply the original poster is being a tool. Not everyone here has had fair and professional interaction with the manufacturer. Besides, his question is quite valid. Cadmium Residue in and of itself is not a problem. The grey stuff on your risers and the chafing straps that buffer the Type 8 from hardware is Cadmium residue. Unless the hardware is stainless steel, it's there. Perhaps there is something missing or misunderstood but I would want to see the actual hardware and the webbing that was removed. I understand requiring that the rest of the harness, (reserve risers) be inspected therefore opening the reserve container is necessary, but the rest of the work should have been performed only with consent. TheDonMan, was there consent for all the work to be performed prior to actual work being performed or was it done first and you were billed for it?My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpwally 0 #20 March 12, 2010 Don't feel bad,,if she got corked over a complete inspection on a life saving device,,big deal now she has peace of mind..nothing wrong with that. Money should never be an option around safety.....smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 36 #21 March 13, 2010 Except that it works as designed. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #22 March 15, 2010 Quote...Money should never be an option around safety..... Except when you are using that as an excuse to rape somebody.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Harmless 0 #23 March 15, 2010 I'm a mechanic, let me change your brakes... your bill is $1000. Don't complain it's a life saving device. See how that logic works?"Damn you Gravity, you win again" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
manit 0 #17 March 9, 2010 I have used Sunpath many times in the past. In every instance, an email quote has gone out regarding the work to be done and the cost. Nothing has ever been done without my permission. I find it hard to believe that all of that work would have been done without you or the rig owners permission. Maybe instead of spouting off about the problem, to anyone who will listen, why don't you bring it up in a professional manner with Sunpath directly? I have always found them very fair and professional. Just a thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #18 March 9, 2010 QuoteI have used Sunpath many times in the past. In every instance, an email quote has gone out regarding the work to be done and the cost. Nothing has ever been done without my permission. I find it hard to believe that all of that work would have been done without you or the rig owners permission. Maybe instead of spouting off about the problem, to anyone who will listen, why don't you bring it up in a professional manner with Sunpath directly? I have always found them very fair and professional. Just a thought. Just for the record: you responded to the wrong person. I am not the person who is having the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #19 March 9, 2010 QuoteMaybe instead of spouting off about the problem, to anyone who will listen, why don't you bring it up in a professional manner with Sunpath directly? I have always found them very fair and professional. Just a thought. Just a thought. Try not to imply the original poster is being a tool. Not everyone here has had fair and professional interaction with the manufacturer. Besides, his question is quite valid. Cadmium Residue in and of itself is not a problem. The grey stuff on your risers and the chafing straps that buffer the Type 8 from hardware is Cadmium residue. Unless the hardware is stainless steel, it's there. Perhaps there is something missing or misunderstood but I would want to see the actual hardware and the webbing that was removed. I understand requiring that the rest of the harness, (reserve risers) be inspected therefore opening the reserve container is necessary, but the rest of the work should have been performed only with consent. TheDonMan, was there consent for all the work to be performed prior to actual work being performed or was it done first and you were billed for it?My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #20 March 12, 2010 Don't feel bad,,if she got corked over a complete inspection on a life saving device,,big deal now she has peace of mind..nothing wrong with that. Money should never be an option around safety.....smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #21 March 13, 2010 Except that it works as designed. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #22 March 15, 2010 Quote...Money should never be an option around safety..... Except when you are using that as an excuse to rape somebody.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harmless 0 #23 March 15, 2010 I'm a mechanic, let me change your brakes... your bill is $1000. Don't complain it's a life saving device. See how that logic works?"Damn you Gravity, you win again" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
